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1. mandma+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-01-30 03:35:03
You act like those were the only two options and outcomes. That's a failure of imagination at best, and a false dichotomy.

Some countries were able to issue effective mask wearing guidance - without lying to people, or causing mass mask hoarding. So let's not pretend that wasn't achievable.

Let's also not act like we tried other outcomes first; incentives to mask production, disincentives to mask hoarding, etc.

Multiple trusted organisations lied to Americans, not just for practical purposes but also for political and personal reasons. "Trust the science" now means, obey the science that we didn't censor / fail to investigate / lock behind data protection. It's really not justified, however thick you take people for, and however limited your imagination.

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2. jiggaw+Ca[view] [source] 2022-01-30 05:27:00
>>mandma+(OP)
> Multiple trusted organisations lied to Americans

What choice did they have? They were talking to Americans!

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3. rleigh+Bo[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-01-30 09:03:48
>>jiggaw+Ca
Lying to elicit a certain desired response is not acceptable, no matter the justification for it. It ultimately erodes trust in our institutions, and that trust is the fundamental basis for the functioning of our society.

Our institutions need to be both truthful, and also accountable. This means being able to freely debate the facts without censorship. And for the decisions and communications of our organisations and leaders to be examined, debated, and judged. We cannot have a society where people are knowingly and deliberately misinformed, and debate of the matters is suppressed. That's 1930s Germany levels of gaslighting and suppression. The West is supposed to be Free, and this is not free or democratic.

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