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1. suctio+(OP)[view] [source] 2021-12-30 08:46:27
I understand it wasn't meant to be "mindlessly", I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth.

Still, if you don't have the more accurate word in your vocabulary, then don't use it. It will sound stilted and unnatural in the context of your sentence.

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2. asxd+s[view] [source] 2021-12-30 08:54:29
>>suctio+(OP)
I get what you're saying, and agree. When I was in middle school I'd shamelessly use MS Word to replace words in my reports with fancy sounding synonyms that I had never heard of before. I kind of cringe at the memory. But on the other hand, that's also kind of how I got them to be in my vocabulary. I feel like once you commit to a new word in your own writing, you start seeing it everywhere and getting a feel for how it's naturally being used.
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3. pdpi+G[view] [source] 2021-12-30 08:57:05
>>suctio+(OP)
There’s an important subtlety here — you’re meant to be replacing the words that don’t sit right with you. Your starting point is that it’s already potentially stilted and unnatural and you’re trying to fix that.

Most importantly though — this is a tool, and not a replacement for taste and judgment. Seen from that perspective, it’s a much more potent tool than what a traditional dictionary offers.

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4. konsch+t1[view] [source] 2021-12-30 09:06:44
>>suctio+(OP)
There is a difference between active and passive vocabulary though. Just because you can't think of a word right now, doesn't mean that you and your readers wouldn't easily understand it.

That being said, for anything that you want to be sure your readers understand, "write like you talk". http://www.paulgraham.com/talk.html

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5. kragen+w1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-30 09:07:15
>>pdpi+G
To quibble a bit, in American English, Webster's is the traditional dictionary. That's why most American English dictionaries have "Webster" in their name, even if, as Somers writes, their "contents bear no relation to Webster’s original." It's the leaden, imprecise form of definition Somers criticizes that is a break with Webster's tradition.
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6. dragon+n2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-30 09:18:30
>>konsch+t1
> That being said, for anything that you want to be sure your readers understand, "write like you talk".

Most people's speech (excluding times where they have carefully written it in a manner different than unprepared speech) not only isn't colorful, it's unclear by words alone, though often helped by tonal, pacing, and, in person, nonverbal cues, and, in interactive contexts, interaction with active audience members, all of which are lost in text.

“Write like you talk” can be good advice for people who are dealing with a couple specific problems (either a form of analysis paralysis stopping them from getting anything written, or habitual overwriting) but otherwise it's just bad advice that ignores the radical differences in medium.

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7. pdpi+y3[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-30 09:35:31
>>kragen+w1
Hah, that is, perhaps, a perfect example of the article’s point!

“Conventional” might’ve been a better choice of word than “traditional”, or something else that better conveys the meaning of “in common usage today”, without the “in the olden days” baggage that comes with “traditional”

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8. kragen+64[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-30 09:41:15
>>pdpi+y3
Indeed!
9. boffin+s5[view] [source] 2021-12-30 09:55:47
>>suctio+(OP)
But, how is one expected to expand ones vocabulary if not by using newly discovered words, appropriately and correctly?

Are you sure you're not just proposing a form of anti-intellectualism more appropriately aligned with the characters in an Orwell dystopia?

Language is important - it should not be degraded by throwing words away - or, indeed, around.

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10. boffin+x5[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-30 09:56:52
>>dragon+n2
What's some good advice, then?
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11. boffin+F5[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-30 09:58:10
>>asxd+s
Exactly. This curmudgeonly proposal that ones vocabulary remain immutable is for the dags and curs whose life has not been rewarded by the virtues of newly discovered language.
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12. cookie+J6[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-30 10:08:44
>>dragon+n2
I don't think it's meant to be taken quite that literally. For me, it's about using vocabulary that you are comfortable with, phrases and rhythms that you use in everyday life. It's not an instruction to transcribe every sound that comes out of your mouth.

People get caught up in the gravity of writing. I've seen amazing pub storytellers churn out unreadable dross because they think they need to be "literary". It's true that there are differences in the mediums, but they're not as great as people make out. Unless it's High Art (in which case everything is up for interpretation), it's all just transferring information from my brain to yours with as little spillage as possible.

Writers "speak" to us most directly when we "hear" their "voice" as we read. And some of the most atrocious nonsense I have read is by people who claimed to have "found their voice". You don't need to look for it. You use it every day. Follow that and you will avoid writing ridiculous, ambiguous things like "diversion of the field" when you really mean "sport".

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13. BlueTe+ub[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-30 10:56:45
>>cookie+J6
> You don't need to look for it. You use it every day.

This only goes for young kids in their native language.

In the other cases, it would just take too much time to get better at it, without that minimum of effort. (Which you might not be forced to do after high school.)

Not to mention that language is not just for communicating, but also for thinking.

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14. dredmo+dq[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-30 13:32:40
>>pdpi+G
"He has never been known to use a word that might cause the reader to check with a dictionary to see if it is properly used"

-- William Faulkner, of Ernest Hemmingway

"Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words? He thinks I don’t know the ten-dollar words. I know them all right. But there are older and simpler and better words, and those are the ones I use."

-- Hemmingway, of Faulkner

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2016/01/26/dictionary/

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15. DarylZ+Oq1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-30 19:31:02
>>pdpi+y3
"common"
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16. roboca+oD1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-12-30 20:44:43
>>boffin+F5
Making up words is fun for the writer, but it often not fun for the reader. Like the popular perception of poetry. Few people have a deep knowledge of their own language or other languages, so their inventions come across as childish.

Your own usage of “dags” is frustrating because as a reader from Australasia, “dag” has a common meaning. Example usages: “You’re a dag”, “Fred Dagg”, “rattle your dags”, “clean up those daggy sheep”. And back on topic, the common meaning in Australasia is not mentioned in the online American Merriam-Webster dictionary!

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17. asxd+Do8[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-01-02 09:31:34
>>boffin+F5
I guess I should have emphasized that the operative phrase was

> getting a feel for how it's naturally being used.

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