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Ocean drone captures video from inside a hurricane

submitted by duck+(OP) on 2021-10-01 05:54:14 | 711 points 172 comments
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12. Edward+A8[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 07:27:06
>>throwa+t7
From what I recall, it's designed with a "hurricane wing"[1].

As for regular yachts - drop a drogue, run before the storm with a bare minimum of sails up to maintain steering ability, try to keep the waves on your stern.

[1]: https://www.saildrone.com/news/tropical-atlantic-hurricane-m...

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13. Cthulh+H8[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 07:27:41
>>alkona+S6
I wonder if it's got a Clear View Screen [1] at an offset in front of it, the round window thing you see in ships. Basically a round pane that they spin really fast, throwing any water off right away.

Shameless plug of a youtube channel I enjoy, here's a guy installing one of those in their CNC machine to make better footage [2].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear_view_screen [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYAnOheWHEA

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15. unwind+c9[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 07:33:41
>>throwa+t7
Their vechicle technology page [1] has some details about the design, with pictures of the underwater parts too. It seems to be a combination of the rigid sail, the crossing "spar", and some sub-surface features.

Also surprised at the scale of the things, the smallest model is 7 m (23 ft) long, the largest is a whopping 22 m (72 feet).

Pretty cool things!

[1]: https://www.saildrone.com/technology/vehicles

17. clemen+t9[view] [source] 2021-10-01 07:36:11
>>duck+(OP)
That reminded me of my team rowing across the Atlantic ocean but watching the storm video again doesn't seem that impressive in comparison: https://youtu.be/3barM5C7ecg?t=184
22. 1cvmas+Da[view] [source] 2021-10-01 07:49:52
>>duck+(OP)
Carried out by NOAA which is part of the Department of Commerce:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Oceanic_and_Atmospher...

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23. krasin+Ja[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 07:50:49
>>krisof+79
Based on the photo from the NASA website ([1]), they use a Thales Satellite modem ([2]). My best guess it's VesseLINK 700 ([3]) that uses Iridium Certus constellation ([4]) and costs around $8K ([5]).

Key Features:

* Robust, Light-Weight Communications for at Sea Operations

* Certus 700 Services (352 kbps Up/704 kbps Down & 256 kbps Streaming Capable)

*100% Global Satellite Coverage and Low Latency for Critical Data and Voice Communications

1. https://blogs.nasa.gov/earthexpeditions/wp-content/uploads/s...

2. https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/market-specific-solut...

3. https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/database/doc...

4. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_satellite_constellatio...

5. https://seatech.systems/product/thales-vesselink-700-for-iri...

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32. dankin+kd[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 08:23:41
>>throwa+t7
The term to Google is “heavy weather sailing”. There are a number of techniques that start with checking the weather well ahead of time.

If you’re stuck at sea with a hurricane barreling down you can try to sail around the equatorial edge of it (in the northern hemisphere you try to sail south of it). Hurricanes tend to veer away from the equator. Moreover the wind and waves will be behind you, so you’re less likely to get knocked over by a gust or a wave. The boat is quite literally surfing.

If things get really bad you might heave-to which is a way to work the wind against itself causing the boat to mostly stall. It’s supposed to be very safe in heavy winds, but you would be pointing at the waves which is bound to be unpleasant.

Finally, a sailboat’s keel is very heavy. Check out the diagrams at [1]. The mast has to be well below water before the sailboat prefers turtling to upright.

[1] http://troldand.dk/en/?The_Boat___Stability

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33. DrBazz+Ed[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 08:26:39
>>wiz21c+U5
Well, the Draupner Wave brushed the under side of an oil rig, if that helps. That was a rogue wave and they get a lot higher.

There are also the opposite - rogue holes - the trough part of a wave. Imagine being in a boat and dropping 100ft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_wave

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42. i_am_p+Pe[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 08:37:40
>>krasin+bb
NOAA's most obvious citizen-facing product for me has been the National Hurricane Center.

Right here is a link to the web site: https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

Their forecasting graphics (probability distributions of tropical cyclone tracks, wind speeds, rainfall, et cetera, all overlaid on maps) are direct and easy-to-read, and do a good job of conveying the uncertainty of the behavior of these storms in a way that's legible to a lay person.

44. Joachi+Tg[view] [source] 2021-10-01 09:01:05
>>duck+(OP)
I really didn't grasp the size of that drone. It is not a little model boat, it is a ship. This video shows it being launched, and includes images of what it looks like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ-uYy9Ap8A

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46. metaph+0h[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 09:03:04
>>hparad+Tc
Something about NOAA brushing shoulders with what could have been existential disaster[1] to the detriment of the public, only to resume their mission of diving head first into natural ones supported by the first-to-market ethos of a modern startup has poetic justice vibes to it. A win for both Saildrone and the general public at large.

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-14/trump-s-p...

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51. dredmo+Ai[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 09:22:47
>>AYBABT+i6
Lack of horizon, lack of depth, lack of sense of motion, and lack of anything to measure scale against, all make video incapable of conveying true scale.

Though when you can get those elements together, the result is gut-clenching. What does it for me is Big Wave surfing at Nazare. Camera's on land, horizon is fixed, motion is clear, and the ant on the face itself gives perspective. I almost have the opposite problem, the image registers as synthetic or manipulated, even when it isn't:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=pZTx0XBx4hk

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53. maxeri+vj[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 09:32:01
>>fho+vi
The hurricane wing? It's smaller.

https://www.saildrone.com/news/tropical-atlantic-hurricane-m...

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56. Disrup+Bk[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 09:42:29
>>wiz21c+U5
Highly recommend HBO's new mini series (documentary) about big wave surfing [0]. Lots of heavy wave action in it and they delve into the very unscientific manner in which surfers and surfing orgs "measure" these monsters.

[0] https://www.hbo.com/100-foot-wave

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62. eighta+Wp[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 10:41:27
>>jacque+ue
There was an interesting article in Quanta a while back on this topic.

> Researchers have since determined that rogue waves probably claimed 22 supercarriers and more than 500 lives in the second half of the 20th century alone.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-grand-unified-theory-of-r...

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75. dredmo+PE[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 12:33:23
>>Andrew+Mp
I've seen estimates of the Chelyabinsk energy yield at about 500 kT TNT equivalent. How that was distributed as light, shock wave, and thermal energy (latter coupled with light) has been something I'd wondered at, and your comment on the heat is interesting.

I'd think that a larger impactor or one that survived further into Earth's atmosphere (and closer to the surface) might have changed that experience markedly. You're informing my own advice-to-self as to how to respond should I see a very large airburst at some point. "Stay away from glass" was already part of that, as well as "expect the shockwave after about 90 seconds". I think I'll add "avoid direct thermal exposure if it looks to be large" to the list.

If you've not already seen the Sandia Labs modelling based on the 1908 Tunguska event, the shockwave dynamics suggest to me why and how the multiple shockwave arrivals at a given point on the ground occur:

https://newsreleases.sandia.gov/releases/2007/asteroid.html

Particularly this simulation: http://www.sandia.gov/videos2007/2007-6514Pfire.hv1.1.mpg

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82. claudi+KM[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 13:25:32
>>krasin+Ja
I would bet that modem is using a phased antenna array [1] (I'm guessing this is what "solid state, no moving parts" means on the product page). With the right sensors (gyros, etc), a solid-state system like that should be able to keep a pretty tight lock on the satellite even in the roughest conditions.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phased_array

97. alista+841[view] [source] 2021-10-01 14:53:45
>>duck+(OP)
Info from the manufacturer: https://www.saildrone.com

If I'm reading correctly, NOAA is using the smallest of the three current models.

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99. krasin+j51[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 14:58:54
>>willis+Or
Yes, me too. But Iridium recently (2017-2018) launched the new constellation that they call Iridium NEXT which supports L-Band and offers significantly more bandwidth. So, it's now possible to get a 1GB plan for ~$1300/month ([2]). This obvisouly means that one needs to use a different modem. RockBLOCK modems are great but limited to the Iridium "Classic" with these tight limits and insane prices (~$1/KB).

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_satellite_constellatio...

2. https://www.satphonestore.com/tech-browsing/satellite-intern...

103. joshua+mg1[view] [source] 2021-10-01 15:48:33
>>duck+(OP)
Understandable but disappointing that there's no sound. I filled the silence with a 'hurricane wind' track from Spotify, because I'm sad like that... https://open.spotify.com/episode/1p7ZN5APoqPzF2YSkH9vqP
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104. LeifCa+Fh1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 15:54:20
>>ttul+791
It's really not. Assuming your power source has the required amperage, short, infrequent bursts are much more effective than continuous operation. In embedded systems, it's all about duty cycle, and by that metric, Starlink blows the Thales modem out of the water.

The Thales VesseLink modem they used consumes 65W nominal/120W maximum. It offers a connection speed of a couple hundred kbps, so sending up a video file of a fixed size will require it to be on for quite a while - Assuming 200 kbps average, and a 360 MB video, that's 4 hours of uploading or 260 Watt-hours. Also, it's 12x9x2", and weighs 7.5 lbs; this is a boat not a hobby quadcopter. 260 Watt-hours is a lot; that's like 3 laptop batteries, but that's still smaller than the modem itself.

Starlink does consume 100W, but offers a connection speed of about 200 Mbps. The 360 MB video upload could complete in 14.4 seconds, which consumes 100 W * 14.4 seconds / 3600 seconds/hour = 0.4 Watt-hours. It is significantly larger, and it would probably have a harder time handling rough seas (not to mention saltwater intrusion), but that's a lot less power.

Whichever modem you're using, you'd want to turn it on infrequently.

Edit: The Saildrone product brief is here:

https://assets.website-files.com/5beaf972d32c0c1ce1fa1863/61...

It describes a 23' or 7m boat. The 33'/10m larger version has 300W continuous sensor power/2kW peak available from the solar panels, which appear to be of a comparable size to those on the Saildrone.

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105. arwine+7j1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 16:00:49
>>nanna+dc
Bullshit.

Maybe force 6 is normal, but this is easily force 10+

Even the fastnet race of 79 was LESS than what we are seeing in this video

The pilot chart for north atlantic in december is showing 20% of days are at a gale in your latitudes, but that's again, a far stretch from the video: https://www.offshoreblue.com/nav/pilot-charts.php

Here's the beaufort scale for reference: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/beaufort.html

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108. jcun41+8r1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 16:42:05
>>rkager+tk1
Probably wasn't clear above, I'm saying they weren't using a swashplate (most helicopters) they were using this little tiny tab attached to the rotor that could be controlled.

This thing on kman kmax https://gallery.vtol.org/images/2017/08/15/kmaxServoFlap.jpg

info https://www.helis.com/howflies/servo.php

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114. pwg+sz1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 17:20:12
>>dredmo+Jh
In my case, it was seeing the photos of Comet Shoemaker–Levy 9's [1] impact with Jupiter on the web very soon after the impact date (latency was but a few days if memory serves, date was July 1994).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_Shoemaker%E2%80%93Levy_9

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123. jonsha+CK1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 18:22:29
>>Joachi+Tg
Some smaller sizes ones shown here: https://youtu.be/ugDnC0iidL4?t=227
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126. ameliu+sQ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 19:02:02
>>teeker+b7
Yes, some movies depict the "eye" of the hurricane like that.

Wikipedia has this to say:

> Though the eye is by far the calmest part of the storm, with no wind at the center and typically clear skies, on the ocean it is possibly the most hazardous area. In the eyewall, wind-driven waves all travel in the same direction. In the center of the eye, however, the waves converge from all directions, creating erratic crests that can build on each other to become rogue waves. The maximum height of hurricane waves is unknown, but measurements during Hurricane Ivan when it was a Category 4 hurricane estimated that waves near the eyewall exceeded 40 m (130 ft) from peak to trough.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_(cyclone)

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128. sbierw+vS1[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 19:15:10
>>dredmo+PE
Nukemap has settings for airburst height (under "advanced options"): https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/

For a 10mt explosion at 20km height it shows a third degree burn radius of 27km. Chelyabinsk was ~0.5kt at 29km. Larger objects are expected to penetrate further into the atmosphere before exploding: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteor_air_burst

I'm not sure how much time you'd have to evaluate size or distance, videos of Chelyabinsk show it pretty bright just a second or two after becoming visible. Length of infrared exposure determines severity of burn, so reacting early is helpful.

134. ebcase+lT1[view] [source] 2021-10-01 19:20:54
>>duck+(OP)
If you're in the SF Bay Area and want to see these in-person, Saildrone HQ is in Alameda:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Saildrone/@37.7829877,-122...

(I don't think they have public tours, but I could be wrong)

Usually you can spot the drones in Seaplane Lagoon, and the water nearby.

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141. JoeDaD+Q52[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 20:37:22
>>willis+Or
Per this little video, the Thales Vessel link does some 350kbs uplink and downlink.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoVbH7gFrVY

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146. JoeDaD+O72[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 20:51:51
>>claudi+KM
Look at the Terminal Equipment tab of this page linked below. It shows the Cobham ( different manufacturer from Thales) antenna for the same satellite service. It looks like it is a set of six or so patch antennas. It's not clear if it is switching between patches or combining the signals to/from the patches. If the latter, it is indeed a phased array. That seems likely because the other manufacturer, Intellian, describes their antenna as a 12-element phased array. I'm guessing the Thales also uses a phased array.

https://www.otesat-maritel.com/article/2128/iridium-certus

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148. krasin+Jb2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-01 21:22:58
>>ttul+m32
Starlink will be available for marine uses: https://www.pcmag.com/news/spacex-preps-ruggedized-starlink-...

It will be a life-changing event for maritime robotics, assuming they don't get too greedy.

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155. dredmo+sB2[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-02 01:09:16
>>LargoL+oo2
There's apparently some literature on the topic:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/5633081_The_Halifax...

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=eye%20surgery%20halifax...

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163. lorepi+X43[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-02 08:14:08
>>wiz21c+U5
You can estimate the wave size using the Beaufort scale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort_scale
164. jwilk+Xn3[view] [source] 2021-10-02 12:38:14
>>duck+(OP)
Direct link to the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQM_03zuSAI

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167. nearbo+AY3[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-02 17:37:54
>>guenth+YC1
Here's a nice article [1] on underwater sound in extreme storms, note in the referenced paper [2] they managed to deploy a hydrophone under 10 m waves and 40 m/s winds! This type of research is largely military funded, not for its direct applications but more because sound is so fundamental to everything a navy does. There are also civilian applications for measuring waves, wind and rain, either in extreme conditions like [2] or where a surface buoy is impractical (e.g. in locations where surface buoys tend to get stolen or broken). It's definitely a case where one person's "noise" is another person's "signal". I too am a bit surprised saildrone didn't have a hydrophone on their rig, maybe they did but the sound is not so interesting for the press release.

[1] https://acoustics.org/what-can-we-learn-from-breaking-wave-n...

[2] https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/phoc/44/10/jpo-d-...

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171. thebis+Dd8[view] [source] [discussion] 2021-10-04 13:53:33
>>Joachi+Tg
This 2020 video shows a fleet of their "smaller" models under test in Hawaii: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvXq4n2aVh8
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