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1. austin+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-23 15:58:45
What would such a new public safety department be and how would it differ from police? What would such a department do differently in the circumstance of failure to follow lawful orders and how would it have no systemic racism?
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2. vkou+w[view] [source] 2020-06-23 16:01:19
>>austin+(OP)
Having a peace officer department that is not given guns, or a mandate to apply violence first, and ask questions later, would be a substantial improvement for doing 95-99% of the work police currently do.

It might still be systemically racist, but at least the consequences thereof will be lower.

We've already tried reforming departments. It doesn't work. The entire management structure of your neighbourhood police department resists reform. The line officers resist reform. The police chief resists reform. No amount of winger-wagging at them will result in reform. No amount of sensitivity training or unconscious bias training, or body cams have managed to reign them in.

Wiping the slate clean, and starting over might.

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3. austin+mb[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-23 16:40:37
>>vkou+w
> It might still be systemically racist, but at least the consequences thereof will be lower.

If that’s the final output I suspect most people will want to retain the status quo because the primary problem is ignored at great expense.

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4. vkou+zp[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-23 17:31:29
>>austin+mb
1. Mitigating harm is not ignoring the problem.

2. Reforms don't work. The SPD has been under federal sanction, and has been the target of numerous reform plans for the past two decades. Nothing sticks. The department is institutionally incapable of reform or accountability.

3. Given #2, it is currently being ignored at great expense. Police are the highest-paid public servants. Police departments consume the overwhelming majority of municipal tax revenue.

Why would you hire a cop for a six figure salary, to have them spend most of their time deal with social worker problems, when social workers are already capable of doing that job, for a third the pay? Why do you have that same cop cruise around, issuing parking tickets, when you could have a bylaw officer do the same thing, for a third the pay?

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