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> If you are not quitting then you are also profiting form ICE contract.

This is reductive, right up there with "Why don't you move to Canada?" Do you agree with every single action done by all entities you belong to: family, employer, HOA, neighborhood, city council, state/province, and country? If you disagree with the actions of a family member - is your solution to cut them off immediately without talking to them? We spend one third of our working lives with our employers - sometimes we like them well enough to entitle us to "interventions".

Additionally, in their quest to reduce churn/lower salaries, the employers are the ones who seek employee loyalty by convincing us that we are "like family", or show that they are humane (or at least not amoral). They can't have their cake and eat it - if you're an amoral company - own it like Oracle does and take the hit on the type of employees you get.

>>sangno+(OP)
> If you disagree with the actions of a family member - is your solution to cut them off immediately without talking to them?

I don't think your employer is like "a family member", this analogy is too absurd to counter.

> family, employer, HoA, neighborhood, city council, state/province, and country?

one of these is not like the other. you get to participate in decision making process via voting in HOA, country ect. Employment is purely transactional like getting coffee from a coffeeshop, you have no say in what kind of beans to pick.

>>domino+p3
It's not absurd at all for many people as their very identity is quite entangled with their employer and the work they do as they spend the majority of their waking hours doing something work related.

Since employment-as-family was not relatable for you, how about: if you disagree with your HOA/neighborhood watch/city council, is your first instinct to sell your house and move away? Wouldn't canvassing support for your PoV be more reasonable, as an initial action?

>>sangno+U4
employment is not consensus like HOA, yes you can get your voice heard in HOA by participating, its by design.

Correct analogy in this case would be HOA where all the decisions are made by chairman of HOA. In that case yes, packup and move.

you don't choose your family members by interviewing with them.

> Since employment-as-family was not relatable for you,

In my family we(adults) are all equals and make decisions that are agreeable to everyone.

In you family you have "head" who makes all the important decisions without checking with family members first?

I don't want to think of myself as a child family member at my employer who gets no say in anything major. I can't relate to that at all.

>>domino+l5
I think we are speaking across each other because we have fundamental differences in how we view the employment relationship. I do not expect consensus with employment, but I will not work at any organization that makes it blatantly clear that my voice will not be heard. Oracle makes that abundantly clear - you don't hear many stories about activism from folk at Oracle at that reason.

>>sangno+(OP)
Well now that GitHub denied their request I hope that they will leave the company.

They wouldn't want to be complicit right?

I wouldn't bet on this happening though.