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1. xxpor+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-06-05 14:52:14
Here's what's actually happening: the cops say there's a curfew and they're arresting everyone at 8. Except then they kettle everyone at 7:30 so you can't leave. They then arrest you at 8 for breaking curfew.
replies(2): >>awille+N >>sys_64+O8
2. awille+N[view] [source] 2020-06-05 14:56:07
>>xxpor+(OP)
Yep, I've been seeing that in NY, and it baffles me. The cynical part of me thinks they want to arrest people, but that just seems too stupid at this point. The city leadership has to know that doing this is only causing the protests to continue. Maybe cynicism is the right approach, but people usually act in their own self interest, and it's very much in the self interest of the politicians running the city to not have police out there beating people and to get crowds to disperse peacefully.

Just baffling and terrible.

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3. ceejay+E1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 14:59:50
>>awille+N
> The city leadership has to know that doing this is only causing the protests to continue.

City leadership doesn't have control. Fired cops get reinstated. When criticized or acted against, they retaliate against civilian leadership.

https://twitter.com/MplsWard3/status/1267891878801915904

> Politicians who cross the MPD find slowdowns in their wards. After the first time I cut money from the proposed police budget, I had an uptick in calls taking forever to get a response, and MPD officers telling business owners to call their councilman about why it took so long.

https://gizmodo.com/nypd-union-doxes-mayors-daughter-on-twit...

> A New York City Police Department union known for its controversial attacks against Mayor Bill de Blasio tweeted out the personally identifying information of his daughter on Sunday night, including a residential address and her New York State ID number.

https://www.cityandstateny.com/articles/politics/new-york-ci...

> Lynch’s most infamous comment, the one that many believe set New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio running scared from the cause of police reform, came after a man shot two NYPD officers in Brooklyn in 2014. The slain officers’ “blood on the hands starts at City Hall in the Office of the Mayor,” Lynch said. The PBA president blamed de Blasio because the mayor acknowledged, in the wake of Garner’s death, that racially disparate policing exists in New York City. Cops subsequently turned their back on de Blasio at the slain officers’ funeral, and the mayor has sided with the cops ever since.

> But to understand why the mayor does what he does, one must understand what he’s up against. On Monday, The City reported that since 2015 the PBA has spent upwards of $1.4 million on lobbying and campaign contributions. In addition to conventional political advocacy for their interests, as City & State noted in a 2019 cover story, “the cops also have the power to undermine a mayor by refusing to do their job.” In December 2014, when Lynch blamed the two officers’ murders on de Blasio, NYPD officers made two-thirds fewer arrests and wrote 94% fewer tickets than they had during the same period the year before. The PBA has also moved to block new policies intended to increase transparency and accountability, for example by suing to prevent the release of body camera footage.

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4. momoko+L1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 15:00:32
>>awille+N
> The cynical part of me thinks they want to arrest people

That is what they are doing. The theory is that once they put someone through being arrested, that person will not continue coming to protests the following days.

I’m am certainly not agreeing with the tactic, but that is why they are doing it.

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5. awille+k2[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 15:03:33
>>momoko+L1
Sure, but it seems pretty obvious that videos of these arrests/beatings are driving other people to protest.

They say to never attribute to malice what you can attribute to stupidity, but I just really don't know which way to go on this one.

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6. momoko+Y3[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 15:12:19
>>awille+k2
Judge also just ruled they can be held for more than 24 hours in New York without charge. So there’s that as well.

NYPD is a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them. They know all the tricks and are not afraid of the ethical implications of them.

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7. HarryH+r4[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 15:15:35
>>awille+N
You could see the pattern in the Amber Guyger protest. A couple dozen people blocked a major street and the cops arrested them all and delayed the bail hearing to they spent several days more in jail than necessary. Of course they were all black and in need of a job. Good luck finding an employer who upholds your constitutional right to protest.

Why do they need to set bail at all? There wasn't even property damage! Just take name and address and issue an appearance ticket for a court date, if one is needed at all.

Meanwhile the Minneapolis killers are out on bail. They committed a violent crime, they are a flight risk, there are concerns about witness intimidation, yet they are out on bail. It's clear that the system is broken.

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8. sys_64+O8[view] [source] 2020-06-05 15:37:49
>>xxpor+(OP)
If the curfew starts at 8pm then that means you should be in your home by then. It doesn't mean you should start making your way home at 8pm.
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9. mindsl+4b[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 15:50:34
>>awille+k2
The police don't care about driving more people to protest, and they actually benefit from increased mayhem. The police care about demonstrating their power to show they are in charge over the public. This totalitarian philosophy has been present the whole time, but thinly veiled and mostly ignorable for most people. Now it's on display out in the open versus peaceful groups exercising their first amendment rights.
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10. xxpor+Yd[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 16:06:11
>>sys_64+O8
They're making that physically impossible. Did you read my comment?
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11. tzs+Ie[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 16:10:22
>>HarryH+r4
> Meanwhile the Minneapolis killers are out on bail.

Source? All I can find is that bail was set at $750k or more each. I haven't seen anything that said that someone paid it.

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12. HarryH+4g[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 16:17:10
>>tzs+Ie
The police union will make bail, no need to worry. It's scandalous that bail has been set at all.
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13. sys_64+gi[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 16:29:39
>>xxpor+Yd
Did you understand mine?
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14. epista+Jj[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 16:37:10
>>sys_64+gi
By implicitly agreeing that you understand what this commenter said, you're saying is that if somebody is protesting within 30 minutes of their home, it is just for them to herded into a corner, beaten, and arrested.

I don't think you'll find many others that find this to be just.

replies(2): >>xxpor+Ik >>sys_64+bS
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15. xxpor+Ik[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 16:42:12
>>epista+Jj
Also, it's NYC. A good proportion of any group of protesters could feasibly live within a 5-10 minute walk of wherever they're gathered.
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16. xxpor+Zk[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 16:43:22
>>ceejay+E1
50-A seriously needs to be repealed.
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17. sys_64+bS[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 19:10:16
>>epista+Jj
What I said perviously. You're making some crazy assumptions by thinking I'm 'implicitly' agree with somebody. Let me repeat: the curfew starts by 8pm not for you to be on your way at that time. Most people ain't getting home in NYC in half an hour.
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18. epista+wZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 19:44:53
>>sys_64+bS
By refusing to even acknowledge what others have said, and refusing to clarify what you mean, it's clear that you believe that somebody who is protesting within 30 minutes of their home can be justly corralled into a corner, beaten, prevented from returning to their home by curfew, and then arrested because the police unlawfully detained them in order to force them into a curfew violation.

You even say "most" and not "all" so you are explicitly acknowledging that violence is occurring to people that are being prevented from complying with law.

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19. gowld+xa1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 20:40:23
>>HarryH+4g
Please don't feed flamewars with speculative misinformation.
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20. gowld+Fa1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 20:41:49
>>ceejay+E1
How is a police department in open rebellion against government not in prison for treason?
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21. ceejay+dl1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-05 21:44:14
>>gowld+Fa1
The definition of treason is deliberately extremely narrow, and the only crime specifically defined in the Constitution.
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22. sys_64+OB1[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-06-06 00:02:58
>>epista+wZ
?SYNTAX ERROR
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