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1. awille+t8[view] [source] 2020-06-05 14:44:24
>>epista+(OP)
I feel like some upfront setting of expectations would really, really be helpful here. If you're planning to arrest people after curfew, explain that in clear terms: "Our curfew is at 8pm, so we will start asking groups to disperse at 7:30. At 8pm, no large assemblies will be permitted, and police will begin arresting people in large groups at that time. We understand some people will engage in civil disobedience, and if they are cooperative with the police, they will be arrested peacefully. If any protesters start taking action that endangers police (e.g. throwing bricks or running at police unexpectedly), they will be met with force and arrested. Because it can be difficult for police to determine the perpetrator of violence, additional crowd control tactics such as tear gas may be used, so we strongly encourage you to self-police and prevent any violence towards police. After 8pm there will be a 30 minute grace period for those who are not gathered in groups but are in the process of heading home. At 8:30pm, anyone who remains on the street will be detained."

I think it would really help both in terms of outcomes as well as the perception of police if they gave this kind of clear description of what's going to happen. As it stands now, the curfews aren't enforced with any kind of regularity, so they just cause confusion.

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2. xxpor+M9[view] [source] 2020-06-05 14:52:14
>>awille+t8
Here's what's actually happening: the cops say there's a curfew and they're arresting everyone at 8. Except then they kettle everyone at 7:30 so you can't leave. They then arrest you at 8 for breaking curfew.
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3. sys_64+Ai[view] [source] 2020-06-05 15:37:49
>>xxpor+M9
If the curfew starts at 8pm then that means you should be in your home by then. It doesn't mean you should start making your way home at 8pm.
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4. xxpor+Kn[view] [source] 2020-06-05 16:06:11
>>sys_64+Ai
They're making that physically impossible. Did you read my comment?
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5. sys_64+2s[view] [source] 2020-06-05 16:29:39
>>xxpor+Kn
Did you understand mine?
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6. epista+vt[view] [source] 2020-06-05 16:37:10
>>sys_64+2s
By implicitly agreeing that you understand what this commenter said, you're saying is that if somebody is protesting within 30 minutes of their home, it is just for them to herded into a corner, beaten, and arrested.

I don't think you'll find many others that find this to be just.

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7. sys_64+X11[view] [source] 2020-06-05 19:10:16
>>epista+vt
What I said perviously. You're making some crazy assumptions by thinking I'm 'implicitly' agree with somebody. Let me repeat: the curfew starts by 8pm not for you to be on your way at that time. Most people ain't getting home in NYC in half an hour.
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