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1. krn+(OP)[view] [source] 2020-01-28 11:59:43
> Which makes protests like this one even more important and noteworthy, as those people protesting are risking a lot more compared to the "privileged" professions I mentioned above.

The profession doesn't matter at all, because anyone can go to the streets and protest to defend public interests. But attacking your own employer is not a solution. Why not to look for a job at NGO, or get involved in a non-profit startup instead? Oh, it doesn't pay well enough? Then you have to come into an agreement with yourself.

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2. hector+01[view] [source] 2020-01-28 12:11:46
>>krn+(OP)
Because no one in big corps would then fight for these kind of issues. Amazon changing parts of its business to be more sustainable is probably more impactful than dozens of NGOs at full speed.
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3. pagane+W1[view] [source] 2020-01-28 12:22:25
>>krn+(OP)
> Why not to look for a job at NGO, or get involved in a non-profit startup instead?

You're seriously asking why a lowly-paid Amazon employee doesn't look for a NGO or a non-profit startup job instead? No offence, but is this satire? It seems like a Silicon Valley episode to me.

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4. krn+x6[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-01-28 13:06:41
>>hector+01
Amazon or any other corporation will only change parts of its business to become more sustainable if that directly (through lower spending) or indirectly (through improved public image) increases its profitability. Unless, of course, it's forced to do so by government regulations.
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5. conanb+m7[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-01-28 13:14:48
>>pagane+W1
If you are a lowly-paid employee, your focus should be on becoming a highly-paid employee, not in engaging fights with your allegedly only employer.
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6. krn+P8[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-01-28 13:27:26
>>pagane+W1
> No offence, but is this satire? It seems like a Silicon Valley episode to me.

As an EU citizen from a country with an average personal income of less than 1000€ / month, I don't see any problem with not working for a company that stands against what I firmly believe in. It doesn't necessarily have to be an NGO or a non-profit. If you care about climate change more than about anything else, get a job at TSLA.

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7. hector+U8[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-01-28 13:27:45
>>krn+x6
Well, I guess that workers demonstrating publicly against your own policies doesn't do wonders for public image.
8. zentig+b9[view] [source] 2020-01-28 13:28:55
>>krn+(OP)
Wow... it's been a long time since you bootstrapped yourself through minimum wage jobs and had do work for anyone who would take you until you could save enough to start to crawl up out of that cycle...

Took me a tour in the military to change my overall chances in life.

And there aren't enough NGOs and startups to absorb thousands of Amazon workers anyway... hence having to get the warehouse jobs in the first place.

If employees aren't allowed to lobby / strike / speak out for better behavior of their own employer, no one else is going to have better leverage to encourage change either.

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9. _-o-_+db[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-01-28 13:45:17
>>pagane+W1
Let me quote the article

> More than 340 tech workers at Amazon used the hashtag #AMZNSpeakOut in public statements that condemn the company for not taking sufficient action on the climate crisis.

I'm sure that tech workers at Amazon are compensated quite handsomely. And even if those protesters were low paid warehouse staff (unlikely, protesting climate change is something that only those very well off can afford) do you assume that NGO would pay even less?

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10. CalRob+Bb[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-01-28 13:47:58
>>krn+P8
"As an EU citizen"

This does confer some benefits with respect to safety net, etc. Working for an NGO might mean your kid not getting adequate health care.

Also, I don't believe TSLA is in a position to hire everyone who might like to work there (and they're not perfect themselves considering Elon's opposition to public transport that actually works, like buses)

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11. krn+Xc[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-01-28 13:58:04
>>CalRob+Bb
> This does confer some benefits with respect to safety net, etc.

Sure, it does, but we are talking here about highly paid Amazon's tech employees, not about lowly paid warehouse workers:

> More than 340 tech workers at Amazon used the hashtag #AMZNSpeakOut in public statements that condemn the company for not taking sufficient action on the climate crisis.

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12. Solace+Gk[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-01-28 14:50:35
>>_-o-_+db
"do you assume that NGO would pay even less?"

Yeah I do actually, often people pay NGOs to be able to work under an NGO.

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13. natch+9m[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-01-28 14:57:52
>>CalRob+Bb
I don't think he's opposed to buses or public transport. That's ridiculous. You've taken his words out of context. That being said, there are huge advantages to cars, which is why most people use them. And buses too. It's not either or. It's more just one thing at a time, starting with whatever has the most impact when you take reality into account.
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14. throwa+Qr[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-01-28 15:33:14
>>krn+P8
>As an EU citizen from a country

Does your country provide healthcare and/or housing while you are unemployed and looking for non-profit work based on your values? Or does you country also have 500,000 homeless and 44 million without health insurance?

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15. krn+Gz[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-01-28 16:20:22
>>throwa+Qr
It's very different from the US, and that's probably the reason many of my comments were heavily downvoted in this thread.

In the EU, it's very hard to lose the job. It's even harder to lose healthcare benefits. Therefore, people have much less pressure and even somebody working at the Booking.com call center in Berlin can take half a year off to decide what he wants to do next.

However, "hundreds of workers" who "defy Amazon rules" to "protest company's climate failures" are not lowly paid warehouse employees. They are tech workers, who probably make 200-500k / year, and have plenty of options in their lives.

These protesters are far from becoming homeless overnight.

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16. krn+aD[view] [source] [discussion] 2020-01-28 16:38:20
>>zentig+b9
> And there aren't enough NGOs and startups to absorb thousands of Amazon workers anyway... hence having to get the warehouse jobs in the first place.

These climate protesters are not warehouse workers – they are Amazon's tech employees, making hundreds of thousands per year.

People working for a minimum wage are far too busy fighting for their own survival. In fact, many blue collar workers in the US are concerned that any new environmental policies might reduce their jobs and income.

It's the highly-educated white collar workers, who are protesting against climate change. And they have more than enough options in choosing whom to work for.

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