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>>samwil+(OP)
,,In addition, Apple has been underfunding Safari for the past decade leading to missing critical functionality and a buggy experience for Web App developers thus ensuring that Native Apps, another Apple revenue source, are the only viable solution.''

It's not just funding. Apple changed webapps to delete indexedDB periodically even if they are inatalled on the home screen.

There's no way to have a great experience if you can't store data permanently.

>>xiphia+of
Why should a browser app be allowed to store data permanently? I think that breaks normal ideas about how browser apps work, except for cookies everything is stored server side.

>>msh+jg
We're talking about for installed Web Apps here.

Ask yourself the same question about Native Apps. Why should any Native App be allowed to store data permanently. The answer to that question is the same for Web Apps.

>>mtomwe+eh
I (and many others I suspect) like web apps exactly because they cannot do what native apps can. If a web app was allowed to do what a native app why would I use a web app? It would just bring the bad sides of native apps to web apps.

>>msh+li
1. Interoperable between all operating systems (mobile and desktop) 2. Does not lock you into proprietary ecosystems 3. Is built on free and open technology, and investing in that technology helps make it available to others 4. Is not subject to the whims, taxes and control of the gatekeepers

Web Apps can be every bit as capable as Native Apps except with security and privacy built in. For consumers, businesses and competition, Native Apps need to be relegated to to apps that require cutting edge use cases

>>mtomwe+Dk
1. Web Apps are not interoperable across browsers. It's largely a Chrome world.

2. You (as a user) lack autonomy or control over them.

3. While built on "free and open technology", they are not by design.

4. Is totally subject to the whems, taxes, and control of the gatekeeper (the app developer)

Web applications have demonstratively made the experience worse for users without them knowing it. And web app developers know this intrinsically and refuse to acknowledge it.