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1. Web Apps are not interoperable across browsers. It's largely a Chrome world.

2. You (as a user) lack autonomy or control over them.

3. While built on "free and open technology", they are not by design.

4. Is totally subject to the whems, taxes, and control of the gatekeeper (the app developer)

Web applications have demonstratively made the experience worse for users without them knowing it. And web app developers know this intrinsically and refuse to acknowledge it.

>>Conan_+(OP)
1. Not in my experience. I use Firefox and with very few execptions, everything works the way I expect it to.

2. Not any more than native apps.

3. I guess.. Not sure that matters though..

4. Not any more than native apps. But what mtomweb refers to is obviously the app stores which act as gate keepers, which web apps are not subject to.

>Web applications have demonstratively made the experience worse for users without them knowing it. And web app developers know this intrinsically and refuse to acknowledge it.

What? Not in my opinion, they haven't.

>>Conan_+(OP)
1. They largely are, the effort to build so they run in Firefox is small and if Safari is forced to compete and then fixes the bugs + adds critical functionality then they will be interoperable on iOS as well

2. You have far more control over Web Apps than Native Apps. The permissions are more granular + via your user agent (browser) you can change privacy and security settings and install extensions to change the behaviour further.

This is not available on native.

3. We're not advocating for "free" apps (App Developers need to make a living too), We're advocating for free and open web tech.

4. Having hundreds of thousands of competing App Developers is not an issue, having 2/3 gatekeepers controlling and extracting rents is.

5. Web Applications only have to be written once, which will result in BETTER products. There's a reason Adobe, Microsoft and many other companies are all investing in Web Apps.

>>mtomwe+Q2
> Web Applications only have to be written once, which will result in BETTER products. There's a reason Adobe, Microsoft and many other companies are all investing in Web Apps.

No, its so they can better get money out of the end users. A user cant keep using their 5 year old copy of XYZ, they have to pay every month or they will be cut off from the application.