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1. dang+(OP)[view] [source] 2014-04-18 20:03:21
I put a moderate moderator flag on it so that it would be lower, but still on the front page. My reasoning: Space X is cool and interesting, but it isn't a major story every time they do a launch.

Edit: We took the penalty off several hours ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7611240

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2. ColinW+12[view] [source] 2014-04-18 20:28:13
>>dang+(OP)
Launches aren't all that often, and this launch has the entirely new feature of looking to recover the first stage. This is a technical project of interest specifically to hackers, I'd've thought, hence the number of up-votes. I know that up-votes alone aren't enough to show that something is relevant or of value, but I thought this was.

Certainly I thought the discussion was interesting.

FWIW, it's not me who has down-voted you. Not least, of course, I can't since your comment is a reply to mine. Personally I think your comment should not be down-voted - it's certainly of value.

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3. Arjuna+C3[view] [source] 2014-04-18 20:48:25
>>dang+(OP)
I'll start by saying that I didn't down-vote you, either. I appreciate the feedback that you have been giving our community in recent weeks.

That said, I have said the following before, but I will repeat it here. These launches are important, in a time when, "[...] in the U.S., I think there has been an under-current feeling for the last several years, that could perhaps be paraphrased as, "Where are we heading, as a nation?" I think it is easy for us to lose touch with the pulse of the nation when we are head-down in code at a start-up or elsewhere, but I think this feeling is real. So, this is perhaps at the root of at least some of this passion and excitement. It perhaps affirms, in some way to us, that the collective "We" are still builders." [1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4024834

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4. dang+N3[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-18 20:50:14
>>ColinW+12
Ok, I'll change it.

We have no way of knowing which of these posts are particularly significant. Many people seem to upvote anything with SpaceX in the title, and I'm skeptical that it should be on the front page so often. Since you say this one is unusual, I believe you.

But really, please send questions like this to hn@ycombinator.com rather than posting them in the threads.

p.s. Downvoting that comment is fine; it's an efficient way for users to communicate that I made a mistake there. That's better than posting a low signal-noise reply.

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5. ColinW+y4[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-18 20:57:47
>>dang+N3
All noted. Email is not always as easy as replying or commenting here, but I'll keep that in mind and try to do so.

Edit for clarity.

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6. Brando+15[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-18 21:03:31
>>Arjuna+C3
I tend to agree. Shoot, even Hollywood, sees it. Watch this trailer for an upcoming space movie ... it's all scenes from the US's early spaceflight successes, accompanied by Matthew McConaughey saying we shouldn't believe all our best accomplishments are behind us. If this is how smart marketers are advertising the movie, it's a safe bet it's on many peoples' minds.

http://www.interstellar-movie.com/

7. mikeas+I5[view] [source] 2014-04-18 21:13:36
>>dang+(OP)
It's not a major story every time they do a launch, but this one was definitely a major story, being the first test of their landing legs during a real launch.

Punishing worthy, interesting stories because there are too many other stories about the company seems really wrong.

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8. sitkac+u8[view] [source] 2014-04-18 21:51:19
>>dang+(OP)
That is a bummer. Compared to other stuff I see sitting on the front page for hours, I'd say a Space X launch that is testing first stage recovery is a pretty big deal.
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9. Brando+09[view] [source] 2014-04-18 22:00:48
>>dang+(OP)
What's with all the downvotes? He simply states his reasoning, and after a mea culpa later on, makes the change people ask for (un-flag the story). Disagreeing is one thing (and isn't that what comments & conversation is for?), but voting the comment down seems petty.
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10. pbreit+b9[view] [source] 2014-04-18 22:04:27
>>dang+(OP)
I think that's over-moderation. There's obviously interest and reasonable minds can disagree on the importance. This is not "just another Space X launch". 1) it's going to the space station and 2) it includes the fascinating concept of the rocket landing back on earth.
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11. saraid+Ib[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-18 22:48:38
>>Brando+09
Downvotes are considered a legitimate expression of disagreement on HN. This is pg-level policy.
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12. dang+dc[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-18 22:58:26
>>pbreit+b9
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7611240
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13. dang+Oc[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-18 23:08:36
>>mikeas+I5
Since you posted this well after we removed the penalty from the story, I'm thinking you must not have seen https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7611240.

The only issue is that it's not always obvious which stories are the worthy, interesting ones.

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14. threes+id[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-18 23:18:40
>>Arjuna+C3
This isn't a US only site so do we really need the "USA is exceptional" rhetoric ? It actually cheapens the importance of these launches. And I have to agree that not every little launch should be posted but absolutely important moments in the SpaceX journey (which I believe this is).
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15. Arjuna+3e[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-18 23:31:38
>>threes+id
This isn't a US only site so do we really need the "USA is exceptional" rhetoric ?

Please kindly read my entire previous comment (the one in the link that I provided in the text that you are responding to)... note that I said that I was, "Speaking as an American, here [...]" before I said the quoted text. I believe that the context of my entire previous comment is important.

Respectfully, your interpretation is incorrect. That was not my intention at all, and it does not represent the type of person that I am.

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16. sergio+he[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-18 23:38:37
>>saraid+Ib
And the result is that important information is now silenced. The comment is now greyed out. Disagreement should not lead to silencing.
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17. dang+le[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-18 23:39:27
>>sitkac+u8
We heard that, which is why the post went back to the top 10. We're not experts, so it takes feedback to get this right.

You make a good point about stuff sitting on the front page for hours, though. I've been wondering whether the mega-popular posts of the last day or two are choking out good new stories.

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18. waterl+ne[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-18 23:41:01
>>dang+N3
Personally, I'd be fine with SpaceX being on the front page every day.

Google/Facebook/Twitter are on the front page all the time, every time they make some little burp. I like those companies and what they do, but SpaceX is 1000x more interesting to me than any of those.

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19. waterl+ye[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-18 23:45:56
>>dang+le
I've noticed some stories hang out on the front page for days recently. Is that recent change?
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20. saraid+xg[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-19 00:31:20
>>sergio+he
That's dramatizing it a bit much. The text is still there. If you're interested in reading it, you can. I regularly highlight grayed out text to see what it says, but I also read YouTube comments for fun. If you feel the grayed-out text is too blatant, then ask for a feature where you can use Javascript to toggle downvoted comments for visibility.
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21. hyp0+Cg[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-19 00:32:32
>>dang+le
I would expect the biggest factor is lower traffic over Easter - and that the "gravity" calculation isn't fully normalized for total traffic volume. (The new queue is probably slower than usual too).

IIRC it's usually like this over holidays.

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22. mikeas+wl[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-19 02:25:08
>>dang+Oc
If it's not obvious, doesn't that mean further research is in order before flagging it?
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23. dang+Ep[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-19 04:29:12
>>mikeas+wl
That's not always possible, nor does "further research" always yield the right answer. Perfection isn't going to happen. Correcting mistakes? That we can do.
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24. dang+Np[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-19 04:34:06
>>waterl+ye
No, we haven't made any change that would affect that. The most popular stories get much higher vote totals than they used to. That might explain their inertia.
25. lotsof+uC[view] [source] 2014-04-19 13:41:14
>>dang+(OP)
Surely you are kidding? This isn't just any space-x launch.
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26. lotsof+HC[view] [source] [discussion] 2014-04-19 13:47:21
>>dang+Ep
Further research does not always yield the right answer, but it a a damn sight better than flagging something popular based on no information.

Even the slightest look into this would have revealed why it is special.

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