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1. dsl+(OP)[view] [source] 2012-12-14 19:24:12
Disreputable dealer? I absolutely agree, any car used in a drunk driving accident should be traced back to the dealer responsible, and they should be punished.

If you can determine in advance who the "wrong hands" are, I'm sure the TSA would love to speak to you and dump buckets of money over your head.

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2. gnu8+t1[view] [source] 2012-12-14 19:37:25
>>dsl+(OP)
Or cars used in any accidents. Thousands of people die in car collisions every year, accidental and intentional, whether they were drunk or sober, reckless or diligent, or just an innocent pedestrian or cyclist who happened to have bad luck that day.

A few days ago someone posted a web site called http://www.banthecar.com where they laid out detailed arguments for banning all cars, because of all the problems they cause, including accidental deaths. Obviously banning cars is not reasonable or realistic.

We have a process for who is and is not allowed to drive a car, and we are fairly comfortable with it, even though it still fails to prevent thousands of deaths. The process of firearm ownership could use some adjustments, but ultimately we cannot prevent all deaths. The best we can do is prevent those who are obviously unsuitable(1) from owning firearms, and ensuring we have a system to remove the rights of those who abuse them.

(1) this is very dangerous due to the history of gun control being used to enable racism and genocide. The criteria must be objective, not subjective.

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3. dbaupp+Z4[view] [source] [discussion] 2012-12-14 20:13:56
>>gnu8+t1
> history of gun control being used to enable racism and genocide

Reference? (Genuine question.)

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4. gnu8+F6[view] [source] [discussion] 2012-12-14 20:32:50
>>dbaupp+Z4
Here are a few.

Racism:

http://constitution.org/cmt/cramer/racist_roots.htm

http://www.guncite.com/journals/gun_control_wtr8512.html

Genocide:

http://www.davekopel.com/2a/Foreign/gun-bans-and-genocide.ht...

http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm

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5. dbaupp+Pd[view] [source] [discussion] 2012-12-14 21:59:46
>>gnu8+F6
Ah, interesting, it does seem that gun control can be a tool for racism and genocide.

However, I'm only willing to take those as anecdotal evidence for promoting less gun control: they are all written by people and groups who are heavily invested against gun control, i.e. a very high risk of motivated thinking, research and writing.

(Sure, one might point at all the references and evidence they provide, but what are they not saying? What about a discussion of the countries around the world with gun control that has (as far as I can see) no racist or genocidal purpose (e.g. most of modern Europe, Australia, New Zealand)?)

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6. lostlo+bs[view] [source] [discussion] 2012-12-15 03:14:56
>>dbaupp+Z4
That's a ludicrous argument. There is a fairly good correlation with gun control and welfare states - I wonder if gun control is a communist plot.
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