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1. hshdhd+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-02-06 10:54:57
Tesla deserves credit but it’s not Tesla that accelerated the world. It’s China.

Even today Ford’s CEO talks about Chinese cars when discussing what they’re worried about, not Tesla.

And then there’s also the battery cost revolution which is again being driven by Chinese companies, whereas Tesla’s in house design has largely failed.

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2. andsoi+81[view] [source] 2026-02-06 11:03:58
>>hshdhd+(OP)
Tesla defined the modern EV market through Silicon Valley innovation, while Chinese companies like BYD focused on vertical integration and affordability, eventually overtaking Tesla in sales in 2025 (both started operations around 2003).

Tesla’s entry into the Chinese market via the Shanghai Gigafactory (2019) acted as a "catfish," forcing local Chinese "new forces" like NIO, XPeng, and Li Auto to lower prices and accelerate technological innovation.

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3. plqbfb+42[view] [source] 2026-02-06 11:11:48
>>hshdhd+(OP)
> Tesla deserves credit but it’s not Tesla that accelerated the world. It’s China.

China supplied the batteries, sure.

But there's definitely a pre-Tesla and post-Tesla world regarding the vehicles themselves. Tesla changed the image of EVs available to the general public by making performant and low maintenance vehicles that looked futuristic and were capable of things basically only supercars could, for a fraction of the price. And they built the DC charging infrastructure all over the world to support long-range trips, which was non-existent before Tesla. EVs before Teslas were basically niche experiments.

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4. rsynno+34[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-06 11:27:35
>>plqbfb+42
> EVs before Teslas were basically niche experiments.

The Nissan Leaf (which predates any Tesla production car) was pretty much an electric version of previous Nissan cars. The VW eGolf (contemporaneous with the Tesla Model S) was _literally_ an electric version of a previous VW car. The VW ID.3 and 4, which are currently leading the European market, are also pretty much like VW electric cars. In practice, 'weird' electric cars mostly failed.

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5. tonyed+lw[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-06 14:38:04
>>andsoi+81
You can’t ignore Nissan and the Leaf. I would say they have been just as influential.
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6. andsoi+ZA[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-06 15:01:21
>>tonyed+lw
Leaf didn't capture the mind of people that EVs are good options.

Tesla made long-distance driving in EVs possible. Tesla made EV sexy, desirable. It catalyzed the Chinese EV industry. Nissan didn't remotely accomplish those things.

Like someone else said, people think in terms of a pre-Tesla and post-Tesla world. I don't know that there's a strong case against that framing.

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