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1. andsoi+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-02-06 10:51:26
Tesla has largely accomplished its original mission of “accelerating the world to sustainable energy”.

Tesla forced the entire industry to accelerate to EV. Toyota could have been that pioneer and mover.

Earlier this year Tesla adjusted their mission to push for “a world of amazing abundance” based on renewable energy, autonomous driving, robotics, and AI.

https://www.tesla.com/about

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2. hshdhd+o[view] [source] 2026-02-06 10:54:57
>>andsoi+(OP)
Tesla deserves credit but it’s not Tesla that accelerated the world. It’s China.

Even today Ford’s CEO talks about Chinese cars when discussing what they’re worried about, not Tesla.

And then there’s also the battery cost revolution which is again being driven by Chinese companies, whereas Tesla’s in house design has largely failed.

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3. andsoi+w1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-06 11:03:58
>>hshdhd+o
Tesla defined the modern EV market through Silicon Valley innovation, while Chinese companies like BYD focused on vertical integration and affordability, eventually overtaking Tesla in sales in 2025 (both started operations around 2003).

Tesla’s entry into the Chinese market via the Shanghai Gigafactory (2019) acted as a "catfish," forcing local Chinese "new forces" like NIO, XPeng, and Li Auto to lower prices and accelerate technological innovation.

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4. plqbfb+s2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-06 11:11:48
>>hshdhd+o
> Tesla deserves credit but it’s not Tesla that accelerated the world. It’s China.

China supplied the batteries, sure.

But there's definitely a pre-Tesla and post-Tesla world regarding the vehicles themselves. Tesla changed the image of EVs available to the general public by making performant and low maintenance vehicles that looked futuristic and were capable of things basically only supercars could, for a fraction of the price. And they built the DC charging infrastructure all over the world to support long-range trips, which was non-existent before Tesla. EVs before Teslas were basically niche experiments.

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5. rsynno+L3[view] [source] 2026-02-06 11:22:57
>>andsoi+(OP)
... I mean Tesla's first real production electric car (Model S) came out after the Leaf, and only a few months before VW AG's first production electric cars (VW had previously occasionally put out an electric version of the Golf on a small-scale basis, going back to _1992_, but those don't count, any more than the Tesla Roadster does). What _really_ happened is that, circa 2010, the economics started working; lithium ion batteries got into the cost range where it could work.

EVs were inevitable, and the timing was largely dictated by battery pricing.

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6. rsynno+r4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-06 11:27:35
>>plqbfb+s2
> EVs before Teslas were basically niche experiments.

The Nissan Leaf (which predates any Tesla production car) was pretty much an electric version of previous Nissan cars. The VW eGolf (contemporaneous with the Tesla Model S) was _literally_ an electric version of a previous VW car. The VW ID.3 and 4, which are currently leading the European market, are also pretty much like VW electric cars. In practice, 'weird' electric cars mostly failed.

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7. andsoi+ee[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-06 12:52:09
>>rsynno+L3
Leaf and VW's electric offerings didn't capture the mind of people that EVs are good options.

Tesla made long-distance driving in EVs possible. Tesla made EV sexy, desirable. It catalyzed the Chinese EV industry. Neither Nissan nor VW remotely accomplished those things.

Like someone else said, people think in terms of a pre-Tesla and post-Tesla world. I don't know that there's a strong case against that framing.

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8. tonyed+Jw[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-06 14:38:04
>>andsoi+w1
You can’t ignore Nissan and the Leaf. I would say they have been just as influential.
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9. andsoi+nB[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-06 15:01:21
>>tonyed+Jw
Leaf didn't capture the mind of people that EVs are good options.

Tesla made long-distance driving in EVs possible. Tesla made EV sexy, desirable. It catalyzed the Chinese EV industry. Nissan didn't remotely accomplish those things.

Like someone else said, people think in terms of a pre-Tesla and post-Tesla world. I don't know that there's a strong case against that framing.

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10. omnimu+Re1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-06 18:09:27
>>andsoi+ee
This is very US centric way of looking at it. This whole hero story about Tesla might be required to push US market but would it matter to EU or China? It's very likely market would transition to EVs because of environment/economics probably even in similar pace.

In EU environment movement is very strong especially in the rich countries. BYD is company from 95. They have been leading up to this for 30 years. If you take out the theatrics... it's actually China/BYD who are pushing everyone (especially EU carmakers) to EVs. If anything Tesla is on a trajectory of remembered as a one of car industry biggest disasters and wasted potentials.

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11. tzs+7k1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-06 18:36:35
>>andsoi+ee
Leaf captured enough of the mind of the people that it took until early 2020 for Tesla's cumulative number of cars sold to surpass Leaf's.
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