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That’s also just Volkswagen the brand. If you add up VW, Skoda, Cupra etc. its not even remotely close and they overtook Tesla a while ago..

>>wqaatw+(OP)
I don't think Americans understand how large Volkswagen is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Group

https://www.volkswagen-group.com/en/brands-and-brand-groups-...

>>wqaatw+(OP)
European EV sales by auto group per quarter:

https://eu-evs.com/marketShare/ALL/Groups/Line/All-time-by-Q...

>>breve+8i
There's no BYD in those charts?

>>rangun+Jk
It's only showing the top 8 groups. BYD are presumably part of the missing percentage (show it as a bar graph to see how much isn't covered).

Looking at the data in more detail, BYD are selling about half of Tesla. (85k across Europe in 2025 vs 185k for Tesla)

>>rangun+Jk
https://www.bike-ev.com/news/cars/byds-270-europe-sales-surg... But these numbers don't split out only EVs. So assuming these numbers are correct, BYD would be below even Geeley which seems... odd. It's probably availability bias, but I see BYD cars every day and that's not true for Geely.

>>wqaatw+(OP)
Toyota’s absence is an embarrassment. Shocking failure of strategy.

>>runroa+1n
Depends on the country (I presume you're in the EU). In the Netherlands, there are loads of Geely vehicles (Volvo, Polestar, Lynk&co and the occasional Zeekr) on the road while BYD is relatively rare (except for city busses).

>>bzzzt+ss
London, UK: BYD was rare, but is rapidly growing now. Expect similar in the EU.

Zeekr is coming.

Polestar/Geely is there and the new models are popular for small-volume expensive cars.

MG (owned by SAIC) is another new entrant with low price and high volume.

Kia/Hyundai vehicles are also common for a long time.

>>rangun+Jk
For all the press, BYD isn't actually that big in Europe. As you can see, Geely (another Chinese brand, which gets very little press) is actually bigger.

If you look at the data for Spain, where they're quite big, you'll see them, but they're not getting into the top 8 for Western Europe as a whole (which is what this site shows).

>>asplak+4r
Toyota is a car company. Toyota sells cars. Toyota has sold more cars than any other automaker for the last six years straight:

https://asia.nikkei.com/business/automobiles/toyota-remained...

Toyota had record sales in 2025:

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/toyota...

Toyota's strategy has worked.

>>runroa+1n
Which country? It's surprisingly variable. Note that Geely owns Volvo (or, at least, Volvo Car; the company that makes HGVs is separate) and Polestar; you won't see much under their own brand.

>>asplak+4r
I think they may catch up quite quickly. In Ireland, I'm suddenly seeing huge numbers of bZ4X, particularly as taxis; Toyota has a tremendous amount of brand loyalty, and I'm fairly sure that there are a lot of people who were waiting to buy an electric car until they could buy a _Toyota_ electric car.

>>rsynno+Py
Here in Norway they didn't want to send the bZ4K to a large cold weather range test recently performed[1].

Suzuki, which has a model based on the Toyota Urban Cruiser, disappointed quite a lot, with lowest range of those tested at 224 km (140 miles) and a 40% deviance from WLTP (best ones had 30% deviance).

Maybe decent in warmer climates, but probably not something for us further north.

On top was the Lucid Air, with 520 km (323 miles). The test started at -20C (-4F) and ended up at -30C (-22F), so the cars that went the furthest had it tougher.

[1]: https://www.tek.no/nyheter/nyhet/i/d4mMkA/verdens-stoerste-r...

>>rsynno+my
Well that would explain it, plenty of Polestars around; I guess I knew somewhere in my mind that they owned Volvo/Polestar now but I totally forgot when writing that