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1. kmeist+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-02-03 03:17:49
It's always a little amusing when the Open Source Tea Party bemoans the lack of "the UNIX way" and someone else with actual historical experience (and not misguided nostalgia) brings perspective.

On a related note, X11 was never good and there's a whole chapter in the UNIX-HATERS Handbook explaining why.

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2. its_ma+z13[view] [source] 2026-02-03 21:36:28
>>kmeist+(OP)
It was never good? Weird. Works fine for me.

When will Wayland earn the label "good"? I don't think it currently qualifies.

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3. kmeist+gN5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-04 16:58:25
>>its_ma+z13
It works fine for you because...

1. You're using X11 with hardware that is fantastically newer than anything available at the time the UNIX-HATERS Handbook was written.

2. Every graphics vendor that still supports X11 is shipping workarounds for bugs in Xorg.

I used to have a citation for that second one but it went away when Hector Martin dropped off the face of the Internet.

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