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For comparison, estimates of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre death count are usually put in the 300-1,000 range by journalists and human rights groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...

>>crazyg+(OP)
But note that the Tianenmen Square massacre was only one part of a larger nationwide protest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Chinese_protests_by_regio... . There's no telling how many were killed or disappeared outside of Beijing.

>>crazyg+(OP)
most of the victims during 1989 Beijing massacre were NOT at the actual square, people should already stop using this simplified term which leads to confusion

but yeah, compared to what Israelis do in Gaza or Iran, even whole Beijing numbers are negligible considering China population

>>kibwen+X
Actually, there is plenty of telling, and the largest (only?) massacre outside Beijing was in Chengdu, with 8 to 400 people killed depending on who you believe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_protests_of_1989

There was plenty of rounding up student leaders and executions afterwards, but I don't think even the wildest anti-communists would claim a death toll in the thousands for this.

>>crazyg+(OP)
One interesting thing about that incident I only learned recently is the chinese leadership was reluctant to use force and prevaricated for ages.

In the end they decided it was worth the risk and I guess they were right, because China survived that period without any rotation of elites and became more prosperous and powerful as a result, avoiding all the chaos of the former Soviet countries

>>decima+f64
"Actually, there is plenty of telling"

To this day, the official version is, nothing happened there and then. If you talk about it online inside china, or using chinese services outside of it, it will automatically be blocked.

So yes, people did get out, but till this day they will have to face persecution or other disadvantages and some want to to visit family again or not have them face consequences.

In other words I don't know about any numbers, but how can you claim to know, when the chinese government did all it could to prevent acurate information?

>>lukan+jI4
The demonstrations and crackdowns happened in the largest public squares of China's largest cities, in front of thousands of eyewitnesses, and the dead had friends and families who lived to tell about it. So while we don't have exact numbers, we do have reasonably accurate ballpark estimates. For Tiananmen, the best guess is on the order of a thousand dead, with high end 2x that and the official government figures 200-300.

>>decima+pw6
Where do I find the official numbers?

Also, china has many cities. If in the biggest incident there were up to 2000 dead, then it all could easily add up to ten thousands. (But like I said, I don't claim to know)