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"Actually, there is plenty of telling"

To this day, the official version is, nothing happened there and then. If you talk about it online inside china, or using chinese services outside of it, it will automatically be blocked.

So yes, people did get out, but till this day they will have to face persecution or other disadvantages and some want to to visit family again or not have them face consequences.

In other words I don't know about any numbers, but how can you claim to know, when the chinese government did all it could to prevent acurate information?

>>lukan+(OP)
The demonstrations and crackdowns happened in the largest public squares of China's largest cities, in front of thousands of eyewitnesses, and the dead had friends and families who lived to tell about it. So while we don't have exact numbers, we do have reasonably accurate ballpark estimates. For Tiananmen, the best guess is on the order of a thousand dead, with high end 2x that and the official government figures 200-300.

>>decima+6O1
Where do I find the official numbers?

Also, china has many cities. If in the biggest incident there were up to 2000 dead, then it all could easily add up to ten thousands. (But like I said, I don't claim to know)