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Over 36,500 killed in Iran's deadliest massacre, documents reveal

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3. crazyg+A5[view] [source] 2026-01-26 01:30:28
>>mhb+(OP)
For comparison, estimates of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre death count are usually put in the 300-1,000 range by journalists and human rights groups.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests...

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11. kibwen+x6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-26 01:37:37
>>crazyg+A5
But note that the Tianenmen Square massacre was only one part of a larger nationwide protest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Chinese_protests_by_regio... . There's no telling how many were killed or disappeared outside of Beijing.
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28. alexmo+z8[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-26 01:52:19
>>camina+j6
There are other sources, like this: https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-...
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30. bawolf+H8[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-26 01:52:42
>>camina+j6
If you want a more neutal organization https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-...
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36. Der_Ei+t9[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-26 01:59:31
>>alex11+b9
We prepared for this :)

https://battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_for_Tehran

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38. bigyab+G9[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-26 02:01:05
>>redwoo+o8
> It is a source run by expatriate Iranians of the diaspora

Including the Mossad, which is kinda an important footnote you might not want to omit: https://xcancel.com/BarakRavid/status/1560685368780939265/

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49. exidy+Ja[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-26 02:07:14
>>ares62+i5
The Khmer Rouge executed between half a million and a million Cambodians between 1975 to 1979[0]. These were the intentional killings, estimates range to as many as 2 million Cambodians or 25% of the population died as a result of Khmer Rouge polices.

The end of the regime was brought about by an incursion into the Vietnamese border town of Ba Chúc, resulting in the massacre of more than 3000 civilians. Vietnam invaded, toppled the Khmer Rouge and brought an end to the executions although civil war would continue for much of the next decade.

For these actions Vietnam was extensively sanctioned[1]. The parallels with ongoing conflicts today are hard to ignore.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge#Crimes_against_hum...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian%E2%80%93Vietnamese_W...

55. ChrisA+2c[view] [source] 2026-01-26 02:17:50
>>mhb+(OP)
Earlier: >>46754132
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60. c420+Pd[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-26 02:32:45
>>voidfu+N9
Not just shooting, chemical warfare:

"Iranian security forces deployed unknown chemical substances amid deadly crackdowns on protestors in several cities earlier this month, eyewitnesses told Iran International, causing severe breathing problems and burning pain.

They described symptoms that they said went beyond those caused by conventional tear gas, including severe breathing difficulties, sudden weakness and loss of movement...

...According to the accounts, in some cases gunfire began at the same time, or immediately after, protesters lost the ability to walk or run and fell to the ground.

Several witnesses said that moments of immobilization became points at which shooting intensified, particularly when protesters collapsed in alleys or while trying to flee.

Reports came from multiple cities, including Tehran, Isfahan and Sabzevar."

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601235991

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68. bawolf+Mz[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-26 06:43:17
>>vjvjvj+K9
At its peak i think (based on googling) the nazis killed about 14,000 per day, which would put it in a similar ball park on a per-day basis. However they kept up the level of killing and didn't stop after just a few days.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/search/research-news/2846/

72. ozlike+0S[view] [source] 2026-01-26 09:57:16
>>mhb+(OP)
The source is certainly unreliable, a quick scan of the wiki sources give you that:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_International

But does the number even matter? Whether its 4000 or 35000 the conduct has been unacceptable.

The real question is the solution, is reporting like this designed to be used as the backdrop to foreign intervention? How many people will be killed then?

"one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic" - Not Stalin

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75. tim333+eJ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-26 15:39:43
>>paulry+X6
There were a lot of people with machine guns.

Quite a lot of detail in the nyt article https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/25/world/middleeast/iran-how...

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76. spwa4+l42[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-26 17:08:57
>>awakea+jb
On the other hand, there is the opposing side that's also tough to ignore where they're coming from.

Leftists, with Western pro-Khomeini protests, not just in Iran, with the usual involvement from the KGB, and the CIA opposing, brought Khomeini to power with claims that he would bring a communist revolution. As per tradition in a communist revolution, first thing he did once in power is execute communist allies. Of course, Iran is still allied with the KGB (now FSB) and Moscow, currently delivering weapons and weapon designs for use in the war against Ukraine.

You could also point out that Iran is kind-of socialist, in the sense that the state controls, at minimum, 70% of the economy, and all those "companies" are directly controlled by the government.

So socialists are still at it, supporting the ayatollah, for example:

https://marxist.com/iran-for-a-nationwide-uprising-down-with...

Note: yes, I get what the title says, but read. IN the article you'll find an insane rant about how Israel and the US are really behind the revolution and how despite that the regime really held back, and this popular revolution, if it fails will bring back national Iranian pride, and the revolution failing will be the final push that ayatollah's need to actually bring the communist revolution to Iran

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80. jamesh+Lp3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-26 23:52:34
>>paulry+X6
The IRGC[0] and Basij[1] are not small organizations, deliberately targeting large crowds of unarmed civilians with automatic weapons will create massive casualties in a very short period of time, no explosives needed.

> Did the protestors get boxed in somehow?

That did also happen.[2]

> And across so many locations, that seems to require a crazy amount of coordination to kill so many in so little time.

The IRGC's primary purpose is to protect the regime, I'm sure they would have plans in place for suppressing protests.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Revolutionary_Guard_Co...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basij

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2026/01/25/ira...

88. jessea+z74[view] [source] 2026-01-27 06:22:21
>>mhb+(OP)
The Wall Street Journal says at least 10,000 people were killed: https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/irans-protest-crackdow...

Horrifying.

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94. decima+Pb4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 07:05:01
>>kibwen+x6
Actually, there is plenty of telling, and the largest (only?) massacre outside Beijing was in Chengdu, with 8 to 400 people killed depending on who you believe:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chengdu_protests_of_1989

There was plenty of rounding up student leaders and executions afterwards, but I don't think even the wildest anti-communists would claim a death toll in the thousands for this.

95. jdthed+td4[view] [source] 2026-01-27 07:23:25
>>mhb+(OP)
Just leaving this here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

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103. scando+vk4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 08:16:31
>>midtak+Yj4
In 532AD the Nika riots[1] in Byzantium ended with 30,000 dead. That's with hand to hand combat at close quarters.

So while the source is biased the numbers are not intrinsically unlikely.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nika_riots

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119. Der_Ei+oq4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 09:02:09
>>rayine+tl3
How come they blame carter instead of REAGAN over this shit?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_October_Surprise_theory

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122. igravi+3r4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 09:06:33
>>domini+VO
> no matter what your beliefs are - civilians aren't the target in Gaza

“By December 2025, the Gaza Health Ministry had reported that at least 70,117 people in Gaza had been killed. The vast majority of the victims were civilians, and around 50% were women and children. Compared to other recent global conflicts, the numbers of known deaths of journalists, humanitarian and health workers, and children are among the highest. Thousands more uncounted bodies are thought to be under the rubble of destroyed buildings. A study in the medical journal The Lancet estimated that traumatic injury deaths were undercounted by June 2024, while noting an even larger potential death toll when "indirect" deaths are included. The number of injured is greater than 171,000. Gaza has the most child amputees per capita in the world; the Gaza war caused more than 21,000 children to be disabled.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

Russia has more than likely killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians since February 2022 but what is happening in Ukraine is not termed a genocide. Why? Because by and large it is Russian military personnel killing Ukrainian military personnel (and vice versa, of course). Why is what is happening in Gaza being termed a genocide? Because the Israeli military* is targeting and killing civilians. I'm not the one saying that, genocide scholars (among others) are the ones saying that.

“The Gaza genocide is the ongoing, intentional, and systematic destruction of the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip carried out by Israel during the Gaza war. It encompasses mass killings, deliberate starvation, infliction of serious bodily and mental harm, and prevention of births. Other acts include blockading, destroying civilian infrastructure, destroying healthcare facilities, killing healthcare workers and aid-seekers, causing mass forced displacement, committing sexual violence, and destroying educational, religious, and cultural sites. The genocide has been recognised by a United Nations special committee and commission of inquiry, the International Association of Genocide Scholars, multiple human rights groups, numerous genocide studies and international law scholars, and other experts.”

One cannot blockade an entire population and not be targeting the civilians in that population.

“An Israeli blockade heavily contributed to starvation and confirmed famine. As of August 2025, projections show about 641,000 people experiencing catastrophic levels and that "the number of people facing emergency levels will likely increase to 1.14 million". Early in the conflict, Israel cut off Gaza's water and electricity, but it later partially restored the water. As of May 2024, 84% of Gaza's health centres have been destroyed or damaged. Israel also destroyed numerous cultural heritage sites, including all 12 of Gaza's universities, and 80% of its schools. Over 1.9 million Palestinians—85% of Gaza's population—were forcibly displaced.”

* with the backing of primarily the United States, the United Kingdom, and Germany

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135. pantal+KA4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 10:21:16
>>freita+y9
looks like it hasn't moved in a bit

https://www.cruisingearth.com/ship-tracker/united-states-nav...

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136. gryzzl+LA4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 10:21:30
>>igravi+3r4
wikipedia has been hijacked to present one-sided view of the conflict

https://www.timesofisrael.com/edit-wars-over-israel-spur-rar... https://www.reddit.com/r/Jewish/comments/1pvs1b6/as_a_wikipe...

Problem even discussed and acknowledged by Jimmy Wales: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6U_aQWaxOTE

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137. gryzzl+dB4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 10:24:42
>>gryzzl+LA4
https://www.piratewires.com/p/how-wikipedia-s-pro-hamas-edit...

https://www.inss.org.il/publication/wikipedia/

https://jewishjournal.com/cover_story/380074/gaming-the-wiki...

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143. pmontr+RC4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 10:33:50
>>paulry+X6
You might check how the Mongols managed to do it on a much vaster scale 800 years ago. For example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Gurganj

The museum of the city has a paper with the order that every soldier would have to kill 400 people, by sword. Of course they were already captured but there were about 1 million people in that city. The city is still perfectly leveled after 800 years. Only a couple of buildings were left standing.

Mongols were very well coordinated. Iranian crowd control has had 45 years and several insurrections to train.

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154. brohee+OH4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 11:08:01
>>paulry+X6
Datapoints :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala_Bagh_massacre 400-1500 civilian deaths by 50 British soldiers armed with bolt action rifles (tried to get machine guns on site but thankfully couldn't)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Severloh Possibly single handedly killed an hard to estimate count of US soldier, but possibly in the hundreds (he had people supplying him ammunitions).

Crowds are just easy to thin with repeating firearms and a good supply of ammo...

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162. jdthed+5J4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 11:17:52
>>inglor+NC4
What makes you think the CIA/Mossad fundamentally operate differently today?

Oh btw, since we're on the topic of false flags:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

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163. jdthed+aJ4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 11:18:42
>>inglor+iC4
The question is, how can you be sure anything you see in the (controlled) news is not another instance of covert plots, false flags, and psyops [0]?

How, precisely how?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(Unit...

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180. svl+oM4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 11:41:36
>>ripped+pI4
FWIW, it's reported in Dutch news - https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2026/01/26/dertigduizend-doden-sla... - with reference to this time.com article - https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-... - and a lot of caveats about how the figure can't be verified.
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197. verbif+TQ4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 12:14:05
>>bawolf+Mz
In Babi Yar, over two days, 33,771 Jews were killed, and this was prior to the 'peak' in Operation Reinhard:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar

The Nazis were still killing people in other places at the same time, so the deadliest day is probably much much higher.

The scale of the Holocaust is hard to imagine. Even just looking at very specific suranmes, there are 23,000 killed with the surname Rosenberg, 12,000 with the surname Adler...

https://collections.yadvashem.org/en/names/search-results-na...

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199. thisis+MR4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 12:21:16
>>lurk2+cF4
According to this right-leaning source (Revealed: The CIA-Backed NGOs Fueling the Iran Protests - https://ronpaulinstitute.org/revealed-the-cia-backed-ngos-fu...):

Most of the human rights organisation in Iran, cited heavily by western media, are backed by the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), which some countries (and some right-wing political organisations) believe is used by the CIA (if not funded and a front for it). Human Rights Activists in Iran is based in Fairfax, Virginia (where the CIA HQ is). (Apparently, they've received up to a million dollars in funding from the NED). The Abdorrahman Boroumand Center for Human Rights in Iran (ABCHRI) has also been associated with the NED. The Center for Human Rights in Iran (CHRI) is also based in New York City and Washington, D.C, and also funded by the NED (according to the Chinese).

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200. basili+hS4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 12:24:28
>>epolan+wH4
> Which means that either there is no such an internal pressure or the regimes are extraordinarily good at selecting and incentivizing people to maintain the status quo.

It depends a lot on how much power the people have. The more advanced and diverse an economy and the more qualified and educated the population are the more power they have. On one extreme you have countries like Angola with an economy consisting virtually only out of exporting oil. These countries only need a few qualified engineers for their resource extraction which they pay well and everyone else is entirely replaceable. That leads to extreme inequality between the leading political class that absorbs all the money and pays the military with it. As long as they pay and treat the military well enough they can just suppress the rest of the country. If people act up they can literally just kill everyone part of the rebellion. The political class, the military and the rest are just entirely disjunct classes of people with different incentives. The family of the militaries profit enough from the system to not excert pressure on their family member working for the military. It's the hand that feeds them.

On the other end you have countries with highly developed, specialized economies and a population that is educated enough to understand at least a few things about politics. There ordinary people have extensive training and work experience. You cannot just replace them. They can protest and go on strike and if you start killing everyone the economy will quickly start crashing down. Just pulling a few cogs out of the massively complex machine will stop it from working. And at that point it's not just a problem for the working population but also for the owning class and the pressure will propagate all the way up through the hierarchy. Also people can just leave. They have the economic means to and their qualifications mean that other countries have an interest in attracting already qualified people without having to pay for their education and traning first. That's what happened to east Germany and why they built the wall.

There are some methods of social control that can help to control a population beyond that. The key ingredient is surveillance, mutual control and seeding distrust. One person alone can never challenge the system. People need to organize. You can try to find the organizers via surveillance quick enough and get rid of them before they get dangerous. Also if a significant portion of the population is secretly informing the government people might be to afraid to organize as they distrust each other. That's how the Stasi worked in East Germany. For an extreme case of that see the Inminban[1] system in North Korea where people are bundled into groups where all surveil each other and report any dissident behavior. Failing to do so will lead to collective punishment for the whole group. It's a really perverse system that plays people against each other and their own interest aligning the incentives for the individual with the government rather than their class.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inminban

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203. darren+UT4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 12:35:51
>>bdelma+iH4
People have been protesting in the UK.

Fourteen arrested after protest at Iranian embassy: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y3g8glgxvo

Protester climbs on to balcony of Iranian embassy in London: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy09yvd57x2o

Silent protestors gather in solidarity with Iran: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4g1me23x7o

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205. darren+8U4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 12:37:09
>>ripped+pI4
The BBC have been covering it in the UK. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/topics/cjnwl8q4ggwt
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215. Tactic+S05[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 13:20:39
>>Shorel+jV4
> Meaning, the people should be able to defend themselves against the violence directed to them.

Yes. But not just and not mainly from your government: you are way more likely to get killed by criminals and/or terrorists then by law enforcement officers.

To put things in perspectice in the US there are more than 20 000 homicides per year.

And for women rape and rape attempts are scary, here are the numbers for the UK:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/283100/recorded-rape-off...

You cannot really compare 36 000+ people getting killed by an islamist regime that rules the country by sharia law with the number of people killed by law enforcement officers in, say, France or the US. Where the number of people being killed by officials, yearly, can be counted on one hand's fingers.

In the same vein, you cannot really compared terror attacks like the 2024 one in Russia where 145 people where killed in a theater or the 130 people killed by terrorists at the Bataclan in France or the 70 killed in Nice (my sister was there with her two kids that day and she saw the terrorist and her son is still, to this day, traumatized) with the number of people getting killed by law enforcement officers in a country like France or the US (I'm using these two as an example for they are country where, each year, a few people are killed by law enforcement officers).

Unarmed people vs terrorists with kalashnikovs: slaughter.

A great many are highly concerned, for example, that there are now sleeping islamists terrorists cells in the EU. Even mainstream media began reporting the concerns. There are regularly arrests and terrorists plots foiled. And Christmas markets and celebrations have been cancelled this year in many european cities because the risk of islamist terror attacks were too high.

When a country disarms its people, it doesn't just make them vulnerable to the governement's wrongdoings: it makes them vulnerables to criminals and terrorists too. Which, so far in the western world, is definitely a much bigger threat.

Now that said there are more than 10 billion ammo sold, each year, in the US, to civilians. If there's one country where either the government or the terrorists would have a problem should they go "all in", it's the US.

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228. dereli+m45[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 13:45:14
>>bluech+7V4
The NED is a CIA-cut out says the New York Times: "The National Endowment for Democracy, created 15 years ago to do in the open what the Central Intelligence Agency has done surreptitiously for decades"[1].

[1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20161118042417/https://www.nytim...

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231. lukan+E45[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 13:46:33
>>gryzzl+OZ4
https://www.icj-cij.org/node/203447

"On 9 October 2023, Mr Yoav Gallant, Defence Minister of Israel, announced that he had ordered a “complete siege” of Gaza City and that there would be “no electricity, no food, no fuel” and that “everything [was] closed”. On the following day, Minister Gallant stated, speaking to Israeli troops on the Gaza border: “I have released all restraints . . . You saw what we are fighting against. We are fighting human animals. This is the ISIS of Gaza. This is what we are fighting against . . . Gaza won’t return to what it was before. There will be no Hamas. We will eliminate everything. If it doesn’t take one day, it will take a week, it will take weeks or even months, we will reach all places.”

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246. apical+795[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 14:09:56
>>ripped+pI4
The New York Times' The Daily podcast had a very good episode on it a couple weeks ago. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/14/podcasts/the-daily/iran-p...
249. zrn900+X95[view] [source] 2026-01-27 14:13:45
>>mhb+(OP)
The new Nayirah Lie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

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252. Cthulh+Na5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 14:17:22
>>Shorel+jV4
> It seems protesting a dictatorship, of whatever kind, is pointless and dangerous.

Dangerous, probably but they can't stop us all. Pointless? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution.

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254. MSFT_E+gb5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 14:19:07
>>genghi+Y55
What part? NGO/thinktanks operating within a 30 minute drive to the nation's capital?

One such example is James Leibold, a scholar of Xinjiang ethnic policy. He would report on Xiajiang and the claimed genocide. He is an australian. He worked for the Jamestown Foundation based in DC.

On the Board of Directors for the Jamestown Foundation is a man named Michael G Vickers, who was previously the Under Secretary of Defense for intelligence, and worked at the CIA during the Soviet-Afghan War(The one where the US funded the Mujahadeen who immediately began throwing grenades into schools for girls).

Vickers was even featured in the book, "Charlie Wilson's War", about Operation Cyclone and the events which would eventually lead to blowback via 9/11, the war in Afghanistan, and the second Iraq war.

This is just one example. Any time you see articles like this, follow the sources. They either wont cite anything, or will cite a thinktank/NGO staffed by career intelligence workers and funded by similar groups.

https://jamestown.org/analyst/james-leibold/

https://jamestown.org/our-team/?department=board

https://jamestown.org/analyst/michael-vickers/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_G._Vickers

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281. cbeach+yj5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 14:53:39
>>igravi+3r4
Ahem, Gaza Health Ministry?

https://www.euronews.com/2025/04/03/hamas-run-health-ministr...

286. randcr+Vk5[view] [source] 2026-01-27 14:59:03
>>mhb+(OP)
Some mainstream coverage of this, at last.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/jan/27/i...

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297. FatalL+do5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 15:12:58
>>lucasR+9N4
>The silence of MSM (particularly the BBC) is eye-opening.

Daily reports from the BBC, and the rate of them is increasing

https://www.bbc.com/news/topics/cjnwl8q4ggwt

Some of the headlines-

New Iran videos show bodies piled in hospital and snipers on roofs

'I saw people getting shot': Eyewitness tells of Iran protest crackdown An Iranian who got out of the country describes scenes of chaos as security forces opened fire in her home town.

Photos leaked to BBC show faces of hundreds killed in Iran's brutal protest crackdown

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299. dorian+ko5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 15:13:40
>>juston+E85
> Why would leftists (or anyone) be confused who the bad guy is here?

Because there are literally pro-Palestine protests that have supporters of Iran's supreme leader[1].

I've seen a lot of comments and sentiment from leftists in support of Iran.

What bug(s) do you have, that you didn't know this?

[1]: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-04/international-reactio...

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304. rob74+Gq5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 15:24:20
>>german+so5
Right... although you wouldn't know it if you took a look at the current Christian right in the US: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/is-empathy-a-sin-some-...
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315. misiti+bv5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 15:43:43
>>noah_b+0d5
Yes, OUR government does fund Iran. Read about the Iran Nuclear deal under Obama, we gave them billions, more than we have given Israel.

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-united-states-iran-an...

https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-...

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317. steven+Cv5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 15:45:20
>>redwoo+o8
In the USA, congressional testimony about babies in Kuwaiti hospitals being killed by Iraqi soldiers was revealed to be fake to justify US military involvement in Iraq invasion of Kuwait https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony There were multiple falsified reports about WMD and nuclear weapons development to justify US intervention in Iraq https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2006-feb-17-na-niger... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_(informant)

Given the veracity of the current administration, the repeated history of the US government lying to justify military interventions (Vietnam Tonkin Gulf incident looks fake going back a little further), I think people who know a little bit of history and are paying attention have legitimate reason to want more than just one source. Whatever the number is in Iran it's terrible but there's no military intervention outside countries can do that's going to change that given Iran is already sanctioned to the gills and it's a huge country that presents many challenges - the people there are going to have to do it themselves.

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348. thepti+wE5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 16:22:02
>>randcr+Vk5
I’m confused by the “at last”, it’s been consistently covered on The Guardian:

iran site:theguardian.com

There is a narrative that has been floating around and it seems like a Russian psyop designed to sow discord (not accusing you of being a bot personally), “the lefties are friends with Iran and don’t complain about their attrocities”, which is objectively false.

Indeed if you look at independent aggregators the latest article on Iran is more “left leaning” reported: https://ground.news/article/at-least-6-126-people-killed-in-...

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353. andrew+1F5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 16:23:45
>>Maken+3B5
The word "iran" is currently mentioned exactly zero times on https://nytimes.com. Plenty of baking tips though.
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362. throw3+uH5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 16:32:18
>>hersko+ND5
It's not a secret at all:

https://news.un.org/en/story/2018/09/1021192

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu%27s_2015_ad...

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364. tempu2+ZH5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 16:34:33
>>tirant+4F4
Missed the biggest one by British Raj around 100 million [https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022/12/2/how-british-col...]
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371. thisis+FK5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 16:44:03
>>joenot+dh5
What "imbalance"? It is disingenuous to equate the two political situations as the same:

1. Palestine is a settler-colony of Israel, where the Israeli-right currently in power is conducting a genocide of Palestinians in Gaza ( https://www.btselem.org/publications/202507_our_genocide ) while continuing to steal their land and deny them basic rights. ( https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/6/who-are-israeli-set... ). The oppressors and the victims are clear in the Israel - Palestine conflict, and thus it is easy to take a firm moral stand supporting one over the other.

2. What is happening in Iran is either (at best) a power struggle and violent conflict between two groups - the supporters of the Ayatollah and the supporters of the Shah (backed by the west), or (at worst) the start of a civil war. In this case, apart from sympathy for the victims of violence on both sides, it is hard to take a firm political stand for one side because both have a tainted record. (How The CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy In 4 Days - https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthr... ). Note that these so-called "revolutionaries" in Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and Nepal too went on a rampage when law and order collapsed there, looting killing and doing senseless destruction ultimately destabilising their whole country. (Now Bangladesh is conducting a farce "democratic" election that deliberately excludes a major political party, the Awami League, because the so called "revolutionaries" fear that they will not be able to defeat them electorally. Something similar happened in Ukraine too). When both sides choose violence to capture power, and are hell bent on excluding the "other" from any future "democratic" setup, who really is the one with the "democratic" values and the real victim?

There is no doubt in my mind that the stand of the west (US / UK) here is totally hypocritical (and morally repugnant) if you praise the opponents of Ayatollah as "freedom fighters", while with the same breath you denounce the Palestinians as "terrorists" for daring to fight their Israeli colonial masters for freedom!

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372. tekla+BL5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 16:46:44
>>ripped+pI4
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/25/world/middleeast/iran-how...
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396. coryrc+qV5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 17:22:13
>>pcj-gi+Kx5
Unfortunately that history includes nearly perfecting the use of torture thousands of years ago. https://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/torture-achaemenid-pe...
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398. Michae+UV5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 17:24:16
>>ch4s3+VE5
"More than 36,500 Iranians were killed by security forces during the January 8-9 crackdown on nationwide protests, making it the deadliest two-day protest massacre in history,"

Too bad that this is also a first time in history, following massacre of protesters: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_execution_of_Nicolae...

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402. pstuar+yW5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 17:27:00
>>Ntrail+bB5
Well, they already did that and fucked it up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9ta...
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428. thisis+R16[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 17:49:41
>>tptace+ZQ5
1. Israel-Palestine:

- History of Settler Colonialism in Palestine - https://www.globalresearch.ca/history-settler-colonialism-pa...

- Israeli Settler Colonialism Is The Obstacle To Peace - https://www.huffpost.com/entry/israeli-settler-colonialism-i...

- From Balfour to the Nakba: The settler-colonial experience of Palestine - https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/balfour-nakba-settler-...

2. Iran-US/UK:

- How The CIA Overthrew Iran's Democracy In 4 Days - https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthr...

- They don’t care if you die: How Iran’s protests became a bargaining chip for oil and power - https://www.rt.com/news/631163-irans-protests-oil-and-power/

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431. YZF+w36[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 17:55:51
>>progra+Yq5
This has never been about (western) morals which is why the masked violent crowds don't care about Russia, or China, or Saudia Arabia or Iran. This is about taking down the west because the west is evil. They also don't care about crimes against humanity perpetrated by Palestinians: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/0282/2025/en/

This crowd is also not calling for "peace in Palestine". That would be something everyone would obviously get behind and could lead to a constructive discussion about how we get there. They are supporting violence against Israeli civilians and calling for the destruction of Israel and the murder of its populace.

It also has nothing to do with "US aid to Israel" since we see the exact same behavior in other western countries that do not aid Israel at all. For Americans to question how their aid money is used (e.g. why is it going to Egypt) or who the US does business with (e.g. why with Saudi Arabia or Qatar) is perfectly legit but it's obviously not what's going on here.

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451. direwo+sb6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 18:25:18
>>flying+Y56
You could start with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_supplying_ar...
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458. nickff+5f6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 18:39:28
>>direwo+Db6
I'd suggest the Wikipedia article as a very good starting point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel#Ancient_Isra...
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459. southe+Xg6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 18:47:59
>>sepiso+M45
> those who are committing this massacre are MUSLIMS and support PALESTINE so this is a moral dilemma for the left lovers

I'm not sure if you're making this argument in good faith, but just in case. The iranian government has no love for socialists/anarchists many of whom have been executed (especially in the years after the islamic revolution) or live in exile.

From what politically active iranian comrades told me (in exile), the social movement in Iran is very much alive and there is an underground left-wing scene (for example an anarchist/punk scene). Likewise, the Jin Jiyan Azadi movement following the execution of Mahsa Amini is very much on the left wing, inspired by Rojava's democratic confederalism.

From a western european perspective (eg. me), the dilemma is not the one you presented. Sure some fringe groups have campist [1] tendencies, but that's far from representing the Left as a whole (which has historical links with the anti-islamist left-wing in Iran). The dilemma would be: how to support a people's revolution without supporting our own western empires making the situation even worse? The most moderate/imperialist liberals have learnt the lessons from the Taliban's comeback in Afghanistan and the return of black slavery in Libya: we can do better than bomb a foreign people.

Still, the demonstrations here in France supporting the uprising in Iran (at least those who are not organized by the fascists trying to bring the Shah's son to the throne) pretty much have the same crowd as the pro-palestinian demonstrations. I'd be curious, apart from obvious propaganda, where you'd find the idea that left-wingers wouldn't support overthrowing a tyrannical government.

(cue history course about the history of secularism and why opposing islamophobia is not incompatible with opposing islamism or any theological tyranny)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campism

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460. direwo+Kh6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 18:51:09
>>flying+We6
You could also read https://www.cfr.org/articles/us-aid-israel-four-charts

These are just Google results.

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472. nickff+Tl6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 19:09:15
>>direwo+Xh6
Well, if you're only going to count modern states, the only previous one to occupy that area was the Ottoman Empire. After that, there was a British Mandate, but that wasn't a state. Modern states only started after the Treaty of Westphalia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Westphalia
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474. vel0ci+qm6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 19:11:07
>>apical+Xc5
> Saudi Arabia recently engaged in a bombing campaign in Yemen that looked very similar to Israel's campaign in Gaza. And yet there were no protests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpiW-r-zfW8

I've seen a bunch of protesters about the war in Yemen outside the bomb factories around me.

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476. nickff+6q6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 19:22:59
>>thisis+Kl6
There were a variety of other discriminatory measures in most of the Middle-East; many applied to religions other than Judaism as well. Another notable one was the limited access to the legal systems, along with the inferior legal status non-Muslims were relegated to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world

I also think it’s absurd to pretend that taxing people who do not tithe to one’s favored faith or cause is non-discriminatory. Imagine Utah taxing non-Mormons because they don’t tithe to The Church or The United Way.

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477. L_226+cr6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 19:26:16
>>aesch+706
Guess who? https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/international-relations/1...
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486. kolbe+cz6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 19:57:42
>>mishak+LP4
This entire comment section has a lot of polarizing statements that are unverifiable and can hide behind the fog of truth. Yours is not one. Yours is easily verifiably false:

https://www.google.com/search?q=israel+genocide+site:news.yc...

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489. thisis+cC6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 20:10:21
>>nickff+6q6
I have no idea what country's legal system you referring to. My broad understanding is that most Islamic empires allowed the minorities to retain their own personal laws on some legal matters (marriage, divorce, inheritance etc) as Sharia laws were largely Islamic, for muslims. From today's modern perspective many things that was done by many former empires of the past would be problematic. Like I said, you will only get a warped view of history if you try to analyse it by applying modern principles. By and large, for their time, Islamic empires were largely egalitarian towards their citizens. (The Ottoman empire's secular history undermines sharia claims - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2011/oct/07... ). If you want to judge them by their worst examples, you can ofcourse "prove" the worst that you imagine of them.

> Imagine Utah taxing non-Mormons because they don’t tithe

Mormons don't pay their tithe to the government. In the Islamic empire, it was the government that collected the 'tithe' from the muslims after calculating their wealth. So you can imagine how disgruntled muslim citizens would have been, every year, when the tax collector only came to collect money from them and not from the non-muslims. It was this kind of social unrest that lead to the imposition of the Jizya on non-muslims.

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499. thisis+RQ6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 21:02:32
>>nickff+vE6
On a slight tangent, I can see how many of these things - segregated quarters, obligation to wear distinctive dress, prohibitions against proselytizing and against inter-religious marriage etc. - could all have been demanded by the minority community themselves in those times, to protect themselves from "majoritarianism". Just look at some of the conservative Jewish communities in Israel today - https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/7/1/who-are-the-haredim-... - who still practice some of these customs.

Note though that none of it can be termed antisemitic as everything in it was also applicable to other non-muslims (in whatever specific Islamic kingdom it happened). Right? That has been my whole point - muslims (other than religious fundamentalists ones) have never harboured any kind of ill-will or hatred for Jews (or other religions), till the west encouraged (sometimes forced) migrations of non-native, foreign-born Jews to the middle-east and tried to change the demographic of the whole region with nefarious political intentions.

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503. thisis+9S6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 21:07:29
>>tptace+3M6
Yes, it would and I have already shared some sources for the claim. So your assertions, without any supporting arguments for it, doesn't really sway me. Anyhow, I think we may have reached the limit of this kind of discussion on HN. If you want to explore this topic more, with others, https://politics.stackexchange.com/ would be a better place for this topic.
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522. ThinkB+Sn7[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-27 23:31:31
>>reered+2D5
> Syria was an absolute hell under Assad for dissidents,

And now its an absolute hell for everyone. Is that really progress?

Humanitarian Crisis: Over 60% of the population faces food insecurity. Millions are internally displaced, often living in overcrowded, inadequate, and unsafe, temporary shelters.

Economic Situation: The economy is devastated, with skyrocketing prices for basic goods, high unemployment, and a massive depletion of household resources.

Infrastructure and Health: Roughly half of all hospitals are non-functional. Access to electricity, clean water, and sanitation is severely limited.

Education and Safety: Roughly 1 in 4 schools are damaged or destroyed, affecting education access.

The security situation remains volatile, with an elevated risk of violence and armed conflict in various parts of the country.

As of late 2025, the situation remains dire, with continued, significant, and long-term deterioration in the daily lives of civilians.

Find more here: https://www.worldbank.org/en/country/syria/brief/the-toll-of...

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529. int_19+tI7[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-28 01:49:25
>>buster+BJ5
Most immigration in 00-10s was economical, and yes, for that group of people it's often the case that they are very much still enmeshed in Russian imperial agitprop. It's common enough that there are memes about this: https://lurkmore.media/%D0%9F%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%91%...

However there was a smallish wave of political immigration after the 2011 protests and 2014 conflict with Ukraine, and a much larger one since the invasion of Ukraine in 2022. And those people tend to be very anti-Russian-government for obvious reasons.

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558. coryrc+ghc[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-29 08:55:30
>>E-Reve+D7c
I feel you must not have met any people from continually-multi-thousand-year-old cultures.

I believe Crete was the first country to unilaterally declare itself a part of another country, because being Greek is possibly the strongest and proudest connection they share. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crete#Cretan_State_and_union_w...

The Jewish Diaspora take great lengths to preserve their traditions; you can walk into a synagogue (sharing the same movement) anywhere in the world and it'll be the same as your hometown.

The Persians I have known have had a connection to their history similarly, for better or for worse. Their views and values are a little different than, say, your average Euro-mutt "white" American -- and I think we "white" Americans have some lessons we could take about culture, identity, and values.

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564. hvb2+lyg[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-30 13:04:35
>>cbeach+yj5
Yeah, that group that even the IDF now says is credible

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p...

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565. hvb2+tyg[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-30 13:05:38
>>hersko+wa5
The IDF thinks so

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p...

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571. lucasR+bbm[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-02-01 12:02:08
>>FatalL+do5
https://twitter.com/Saul_Sadka/status/2015820189904814323
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