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1. komali+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-01-25 05:16:06
You put your life in danger every time you get behind the wheel of a car. Statistically more danger than a free solo climber.
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2. schoen+51[view] [source] 2026-01-25 05:27:57
>>komali+(OP)
Per trip!?
3. kelnos+k2[view] [source] 2026-01-25 05:43:54
>>komali+(OP)
False equivalence. It's by no means required to free climb a skyscraper. While you might say it's also not required to get behind the wheel of a car, the difficulty in getting places (like a job, for example) without doing so in many locations makes it more or less required.
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4. tempes+B2[view] [source] 2026-01-25 05:46:07
>>komali+(OP)
Driving is more dangerous than a lot of things, but free solo definitely isn't one of them.
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5. komali+Z4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-25 06:17:12
>>kelnos+k2
Well then rather than criticize a guy for doing an extreme sport, perhaps we can direct our energy inwards towards why we allowed ourselves to design such a fatal society.
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6. andrew+e8[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-25 06:55:58
>>kelnos+k2
Except, using your malleable logic the response is easy, this is Honnold's job.
7. qnpnpm+la[view] [source] 2026-01-25 07:22:39
>>komali+(OP)
> Statistically more danger than a free solo climber.

While I don't have statistics on free solo death rate per climb compared to death per car trip, this is most likely very, very wrong. You should really stop throwing such strange wild claims..

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8. pengar+Ja[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-25 07:27:43
>>kelnos+k2
Some people drive to their jobs, some people climb shit as their jobs... where's the problem?
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9. komali+rj[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-25 09:10:09
>>qnpnpm+la
Of all the thousands of times tens of thousands people climb, only 30 die per year. Of that 30, 30% are free solo deaths.

Free solo climbing is incredibly dangerous, but the people who do it (usually) prepare extensively and train their whole lives.

https://gitnux.org/rock-climbing-death-statistics/

This is in contradiction to the experience of driving, where any number of people on the road with you are untrained, undertrained, drunk, or suffering diseases that affect their ability to drive. Or just doing crimes like speeding or dangerous driving. So when climbing, your fate is entirely in your hands and that of nature's. When driving, it's in the hands of many strangers.

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10. Secret+mN[view] [source] 2026-01-25 13:46:54
>>komali+(OP)
Even the best drivers wear seatbelts.
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11. Someon+R51[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-25 15:57:12
>>komali+rj
>>> You put your life in danger every time you get behind the wheel of a car. Statistically more danger than a free solo climber.

>> While I don't have statistics on free solo death rate per climb compared to death per car trip, this is most likely very, very wrong. You should really stop throwing such strange wild claims..

> Of all the thousands of times tens of thousands people climb, only 30 die per year. Of that 30, 30% are free solo deaths.

So? I would think few people die from free soloing at height not because it’s relatively safe, but because very few people do it.

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12. qnpnpm+T02[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-25 21:50:42
>>komali+rj
You did not adress the point though. This isn't about the tens of thousands of people climbing, it's about the ones climbing free-solo, which is a much, much smaller number.
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