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1. RajT88+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-01-13 17:56:47
The thinking is that not "speaking ill of the dead" is not just respect, but doing anything else is pointless.

You will not change them, and everyone present already made up their mind on their behavior.

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2. Araina+p2[view] [source] 2026-01-13 18:05:40
>>RajT88+(OP)
They didn't, though. Plenty of people who had one reputation at their death have had that reputation change over time, especially with more information and awareness of what they did. Sometimes their reputations improve, sometimes they decline.

Speaking only positively about people distorts the reality.

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3. teknop+83[view] [source] 2026-01-13 18:08:04
>>RajT88+(OP)
Adams stated he was racist and thought that was aok.

I'd say calling him out as a racist is not exactly speaking ill of the dead in this case.

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4. nutjob+w5[view] [source] 2026-01-13 18:16:59
>>RajT88+(OP)
Respect is earned by your actions and deeds, not by your death.

When someone I know dies, I speak frankly about them, good or bad, because to do otherwise is a lie, and the most disrespectful thing to do is to misrepresent a person who no longer can represent themselves.

Scott Adams did what he did, that's surely not in question. Honor his life by speaking frankly about how he affected oneself and others, good or bad. Let the chips fall where they may.

5. option+x6[view] [source] 2026-01-13 18:20:34
>>RajT88+(OP)
The best we can do for the dead is remember them as they were, good and bad, not demonize them nor write hagiographies for them
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6. Angost+aa[view] [source] 2026-01-13 18:34:04
>>RajT88+(OP)
So, no need to speak of them at all
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7. revnod+2c[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 18:41:05
>>Araina+p2
Why is their reputation relevant? They're dead.

Reputation guides your behavior toward that person. But they're no longer around. There is no behavior toward them. They're gone. Their reputation is no longer relevant.

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8. JadeNB+ud[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 18:46:43
>>revnod+2c
> Reputation guides your behavior toward that person. But they're no longer around. There is no behavior toward them. They're gone. Their reputation is no longer relevant.

It also culturally informs someone's perceived suitability as a role model. It doesn't matter to the dead person if they are held in high or low esteem, but it may matter to people in their formative stages deciding whose influence they follow and whose they shun.

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9. RajT88+mh[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 18:59:48
>>JadeNB+ud
I'm not saying it's right to not "speak ill of the dead". Just that that's the reasoning I've seen in my family.
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10. JadeNB+1w[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 19:55:00
>>RajT88+mh
I was not weighing in on whether one should or shouldn't speak ill of the dead, only trying to answer:

> Why is their reputation relevant? They're dead.

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11. nobody+9x[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 19:58:43
>>option+x6
>The best we can do for the dead is remember them as they were, good and bad, not demonize them nor write hagiographies for them

I agree with your conclusion, but not with your premise.

We can't "do" anything for the dead. They're dead. What's more, since they're dead they don't care what we do or say because they're, you know, dead.

Anything we might do or say in reference to dead folks is for the benefit of the living and has nothing to do with the dead.

That said, you're absolutely right. We should remember folks for who they were -- warts and all -- to give the living perspective both on the dead and the dead past.

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12. marknu+aO[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 21:06:16
>>teknop+83
For anyone else reading this comment, know that it is a blatant lie. I suggest you look into it for yourself.
13. DonHop+v11[view] [source] 2026-01-13 21:56:52
>>RajT88+(OP)
The mendacious speaking that Scott Adams did of the living was a hell of a lot worse that speaking factually about him after he died.
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