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1. bsder+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-01-13 05:40:03
> They’re quite literally engineered so that you want to eat a lot of them and buy more.

Even if it's not intentional, I find that the enshittification seems to run along these lines.

The things that finally drove it home for me this year were "peppermint bark" and "ranch dip". I used to buy this stuff or use the premade. This year I worked out how to do them properly myself.

People raved about both. But I noticed that they ate far less of them (including myself!). My suspicion is that the difference was that I used actual chocolate and actual buttermilk. I suspect the extra fat made people sated and they quit eating afterward.

I'm finding this applicable to more and more foods. I'm no genius chef, but simply using standard ingredients causes people to eat very differently.

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2. padjo+i8[view] [source] 2026-01-13 07:17:08
>>bsder+(OP)
Or they weren’t actually that nice and people were being polite.
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3. cbozem+5b[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 07:49:39
>>padjo+i8
For a site chock full of logic-worshippers, we do seem to forget Occam's Razor too frequently.
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4. pmontr+dn[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 10:01:06
>>padjo+i8
Maybe that's the reason but the cook also ate less and should be able to compare the taste.
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5. Tanoc+1E[view] [source] 2026-01-13 12:29:05
>>bsder+(OP)
The enshittification has taken even the foods that were staples of the carb and sugar funnel. Many people aren't buying these foods not just because of GLP-1s, but because the quality of the food itself has gotten so bad. Doritos for example have almost no cheese dust on them, and the chips themselves are much thinner and now made with palm olive which makes them crumble rather than crunch. The satisfaction of both the flavour and the mechanics of eating Doritos is gone. Cheez-Its are more salt than cheese flavouring, and are overbaked until they're thin and crackly like flint flakes so as to maintain volume while using less dough. Faygo has reverted to using sucralose, which is mildly toxic and is a known carcinogen. Sucralose also tends to trigger sugar backlash, where the body mistakenly assumes it has taken in far less sugar and carbs than it actually did and then proceeds to rush and crash. Gushers come in packs of just four to seven now, and use far more xanthum gum as filler which makes them trend more towards chalky than gummy. Bagel Bites are now just bagels with cheese, as their is almost no sauce and hardly any toppings. Corn dogs are likely to be chicken or chicken and pork with soy fillers rather than beef or beef and pork. Little Debbie Swiss Rolls have a chocolate coating so thin that you're almost guaranteed to find holes on the top and sides where you can see the bare cake and have also switched to using palm oil.

I could go on and on. But the point is, these foods are no longer a source of contentment. I've spoken to a lot of people who stress eat who have told me that the terrible quality of their comfort foods has become a stressor in and of itself. They eat an entire box of Cheez-Its without noticing because the thinness of the cracker walls and the salt triggers them to eat more, they feel sick after eating frozen tacquitos because the tortillas have so many fillers, or they get anxiety that they've wasted their money because they get so little in a Payday bar. It's driving them away from these foods.

On the upside maybe it will drive them to cook for themselves like it has to you.

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6. red-ir+r01[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 14:36:33
>>cbozem+5b
the tech bro demographic is terrible at self reflection or solving problems that involve their own biases

very smart people can rationalize themselves into or out of anything position

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7. padjo+5F1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 17:11:22
>>pmontr+dn
Yes because people are famously good a judging their own work accurately
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8. pmontr+oj2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 19:32:43
>>padjo+5F1
Well, I can't cook very well but I can assess if I like more what I cook, what I buy at the store, what I have at a restaurant. It's usually restaurant > me > supermarket. Packaged food is the worst.
9. banann+uM2[view] [source] 2026-01-13 21:25:38
>>bsder+(OP)
I'm beginning to strongly suspect that many foods are being engineered not to leave you satisfied but to leave you so close to satisfied. I never feel like I just got the perfect bite. My brain wants one more, chasing that perfect bite.

It's a worrisome addiction pattern. I'm still not sure if it indicates something that's been done to the food or a serious problem with my thought patterns.

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10. bsder+hT2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 21:50:42
>>padjo+i8
Perhaps. But my friends aren't ... ahem ... very polite. If it wasn't better, I'd hear about it.

However, now that you've mentioned it, Occam's Razor could also suggest that many of my friends are on semaglutide (we are of that group) and that would have a big impact.

So, I guess I only have my own personal anecdata to go on. Oh, well.

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11. bsder+bZ2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 22:18:15
>>padjo+5F1
> Yes because people are famously good a judging their own work accurately

Sorry, not going to let that slide. Just because Dunning–Kruger exists does NOT exclude the fact that people are good at judging some things.

This is especially true for something like food which people have lots of direct experience with. Now, someone may not have the skill to make something taste a certain way, but that does not mean that they cannot identify that something doesn't taste "good" or "right".

And, that, in fact, was what sent me down the ranch dip rabbit hole. Something tasted wrong the last time I used the pre-made packets. And no matter what I did, it kept coming up wrong. So, I sat down, interpolated a couple of recipes, and eventually settled on a flavor profile that seemed "correct" again.

Side note: the error I was tasting seems like they did something with the glutamate quantity (either via MSG or via ingredients like onions). There was a nasty aftertaste that I even got when I did it myself (although not as strong) originally. I had to replace onions with chives to avoid it.

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12. _DeadF+i13[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 22:27:37
>>Tanoc+1E
My local store the old standbys for sweets are getting less and less space. Half the cookie isle is store brand/off brand. The 'crunchy/granola' section has more candy selection than the traditional candy isle, and maybe half as much cookies as the traditional cookie isle. They really seem to be putting themselves out of business.
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13. Grisu_+JY3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-14 06:14:39
>>bsder+bZ2
> Just because Dunning–Kruger exists does NOT exclude the fact that people are good at judging some things.

I dont think this is about Dunning-Kruger, i think this is about the emotional attachment you build to something you created and how it clouds your judgement.

for example, if i recall correctly people liked their ikea furniture more, even tho its more work and of lesser quality, because they build it themselves and thus feel better about it. Same thing probably extends to most things you can do yourself: Cooking, Growing plants, building a dirt hut in Minecraft

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14. majews+3n4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-14 10:35:09
>>red-ir+r01
That's true of any human. It's just particularly bad for tech bros because they base their entire personality on their supposed hyper-rationalism.
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