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1. anon70+(OP)[view] [source] 2026-01-12 19:38:35
And crucially, many of those bad foods can be pretty addictive. They’re quite literally engineered so that you want to eat a lot of them and buy more. So it’s not surprising many people struggle to change that habit when the food ecosystem is working against you. Junk food both tastes better and is easier to eat than home-cooking a very healthy meal. You’re not exactly set up for success here.
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2. bsder+7a1[view] [source] 2026-01-13 05:40:03
>>anon70+(OP)
> They’re quite literally engineered so that you want to eat a lot of them and buy more.

Even if it's not intentional, I find that the enshittification seems to run along these lines.

The things that finally drove it home for me this year were "peppermint bark" and "ranch dip". I used to buy this stuff or use the premade. This year I worked out how to do them properly myself.

People raved about both. But I noticed that they ate far less of them (including myself!). My suspicion is that the difference was that I used actual chocolate and actual buttermilk. I suspect the extra fat made people sated and they quit eating afterward.

I'm finding this applicable to more and more foods. I'm no genius chef, but simply using standard ingredients causes people to eat very differently.

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3. George+Sh1[view] [source] 2026-01-13 07:12:02
>>anon70+(OP)
I looked at a recent football (US) game, and I could not believe the pictures of the grease bombs they were pushing as 'food'. I literally felt ready to gag when I saw some 'chicken nuggets' or whatever was in the fried outer coating.
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4. padjo+pi1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 07:17:08
>>bsder+7a1
Or they weren’t actually that nice and people were being polite.
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5. cbozem+cl1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 07:49:39
>>padjo+pi1
For a site chock full of logic-worshippers, we do seem to forget Occam's Razor too frequently.
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6. pmontr+kx1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 10:01:06
>>padjo+pi1
Maybe that's the reason but the cook also ate less and should be able to compare the taste.
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7. theshr+uD1[view] [source] 2026-01-13 11:02:36
>>anon70+(OP)
Sugar, salt and fat in the perfect combination makes _anything_ tickle an ancient part of your brain, making you crave more of it.
8. joshoc+bN1[view] [source] 2026-01-13 12:21:04
>>anon70+(OP)
I also think there is an education gap. People grow up eating processed food and don't learn to cook. People often try to cook, but online recipes are not really teaching you anything and are often far more work than they need to be or turn out bad, so people think or learn that cooking a meal takes a long time, is a lot of work, and doesn't taste as good. Cooking becomes the exception rather than the norm.

In reality you can have a piece of salmon, with a veggie and side in ~20m with 2m of prep and 2m of cleanup. An online recipe would have you cooking down a sauce, making a complicated side, and use some random ingredient that you need to buy for that one meal.

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9. Tanoc+8O1[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 12:29:05
>>bsder+7a1
The enshittification has taken even the foods that were staples of the carb and sugar funnel. Many people aren't buying these foods not just because of GLP-1s, but because the quality of the food itself has gotten so bad. Doritos for example have almost no cheese dust on them, and the chips themselves are much thinner and now made with palm olive which makes them crumble rather than crunch. The satisfaction of both the flavour and the mechanics of eating Doritos is gone. Cheez-Its are more salt than cheese flavouring, and are overbaked until they're thin and crackly like flint flakes so as to maintain volume while using less dough. Faygo has reverted to using sucralose, which is mildly toxic and is a known carcinogen. Sucralose also tends to trigger sugar backlash, where the body mistakenly assumes it has taken in far less sugar and carbs than it actually did and then proceeds to rush and crash. Gushers come in packs of just four to seven now, and use far more xanthum gum as filler which makes them trend more towards chalky than gummy. Bagel Bites are now just bagels with cheese, as their is almost no sauce and hardly any toppings. Corn dogs are likely to be chicken or chicken and pork with soy fillers rather than beef or beef and pork. Little Debbie Swiss Rolls have a chocolate coating so thin that you're almost guaranteed to find holes on the top and sides where you can see the bare cake and have also switched to using palm oil.

I could go on and on. But the point is, these foods are no longer a source of contentment. I've spoken to a lot of people who stress eat who have told me that the terrible quality of their comfort foods has become a stressor in and of itself. They eat an entire box of Cheez-Its without noticing because the thinness of the cracker walls and the salt triggers them to eat more, they feel sick after eating frozen tacquitos because the tortillas have so many fillers, or they get anxiety that they've wasted their money because they get so little in a Payday bar. It's driving them away from these foods.

On the upside maybe it will drive them to cook for themselves like it has to you.

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10. red-ir+ya2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 14:36:33
>>cbozem+cl1
the tech bro demographic is terrible at self reflection or solving problems that involve their own biases

very smart people can rationalize themselves into or out of anything position

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11. nottor+Ib2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 14:41:22
>>joshoc+bN1
I guess most online recipes assume you're cooking for "special occasions".

I can buy a bag of frozen assorted veggies and a few pieces of frozen salmon in the store across the street, throw them 15 min into a pan and be done. It's mostly what I feed on.

Not in the US though.

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12. padjo+cP2[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 17:11:22
>>pmontr+kx1
Yes because people are famously good a judging their own work accurately
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13. throw8+oY2[view] [source] 2026-01-13 17:40:39
>>anon70+(OP)
Also, these ultra processed foods set up unrealistic expectations of what "good" food should taste like. years of eating UFP ruins the taste buds. So, once you start eating real foods like whole grains, beans, fruits and vegetables (especially if its cooked without truckloads of oil), you think it doesn't taste good when actually the problem is your ruined taste buds.
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14. pmontr+vt3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 19:32:43
>>padjo+cP2
Well, I can't cook very well but I can assess if I like more what I cook, what I buy at the store, what I have at a restaurant. It's usually restaurant > me > supermarket. Packaged food is the worst.
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15. atomic+xM3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 20:46:44
>>joshoc+bN1
I think the main problem with online recipes is that there's a lot of stuff that "cooks" and "people who cook" learn that carries over VERY STRONGLY from dish to dish that is just totally absent from online tutorials. Things like what done (but not dried out) chicken looks like, and how to position chicken in a pan so the thicker parts get more heat, and why your chicken went right from "looks plain" to burned with no maillard reaction.

I think foods/culinary courses should be mandatory in high school. I took one as an elective, expecting it to be a blow-off class, but I ended up being shocked by how much I - honor student and all that - didn't know about browning hamburger, much less actual cooking. I ended up taking the subsequent 3 classes in the "foods" line.

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16. Bombth+3S3[view] [source] 2026-01-13 21:07:48
>>anon70+(OP)
I wonder if we will create a Glp for gaming, they are also addicting.( And created to get you addicted)

What a world we live in...

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17. banann+BW3[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 21:25:38
>>bsder+7a1
I'm beginning to strongly suspect that many foods are being engineered not to leave you satisfied but to leave you so close to satisfied. I never feel like I just got the perfect bite. My brain wants one more, chasing that perfect bite.

It's a worrisome addiction pattern. I'm still not sure if it indicates something that's been done to the food or a serious problem with my thought patterns.

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18. bsder+o34[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 21:50:42
>>padjo+pi1
Perhaps. But my friends aren't ... ahem ... very polite. If it wasn't better, I'd hear about it.

However, now that you've mentioned it, Occam's Razor could also suggest that many of my friends are on semaglutide (we are of that group) and that would have a big impact.

So, I guess I only have my own personal anecdata to go on. Oh, well.

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19. bsder+i94[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 22:18:15
>>padjo+cP2
> Yes because people are famously good a judging their own work accurately

Sorry, not going to let that slide. Just because Dunning–Kruger exists does NOT exclude the fact that people are good at judging some things.

This is especially true for something like food which people have lots of direct experience with. Now, someone may not have the skill to make something taste a certain way, but that does not mean that they cannot identify that something doesn't taste "good" or "right".

And, that, in fact, was what sent me down the ranch dip rabbit hole. Something tasted wrong the last time I used the pre-made packets. And no matter what I did, it kept coming up wrong. So, I sat down, interpolated a couple of recipes, and eventually settled on a flavor profile that seemed "correct" again.

Side note: the error I was tasting seems like they did something with the glutamate quantity (either via MSG or via ingredients like onions). There was a nasty aftertaste that I even got when I did it myself (although not as strong) originally. I had to replace onions with chives to avoid it.

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20. _DeadF+pb4[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-13 22:27:37
>>Tanoc+8O1
My local store the old standbys for sweets are getting less and less space. Half the cookie isle is store brand/off brand. The 'crunchy/granola' section has more candy selection than the traditional candy isle, and maybe half as much cookies as the traditional cookie isle. They really seem to be putting themselves out of business.
21. mptest+eJ4[view] [source] 2026-01-14 01:54:17
>>anon70+(OP)
also remember it's pretty much the only addiction you are compelled to partake in even when "cured". No other addiction are you biologically compelled to do it (that i can think of) but for those with addiction issues and food as one of them it's often the hardest to shake because shaking addiction is easiest done simply by never touching it. Don't have that option with food. Even healthy food can be eaten in excess.
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22. Grisu_+Q85[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-14 06:14:39
>>bsder+i94
> Just because Dunning–Kruger exists does NOT exclude the fact that people are good at judging some things.

I dont think this is about Dunning-Kruger, i think this is about the emotional attachment you build to something you created and how it clouds your judgement.

for example, if i recall correctly people liked their ikea furniture more, even tho its more work and of lesser quality, because they build it themselves and thus feel better about it. Same thing probably extends to most things you can do yourself: Cooking, Growing plants, building a dirt hut in Minecraft

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23. majews+ax5[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-14 10:35:09
>>red-ir+ya2
That's true of any human. It's just particularly bad for tech bros because they base their entire personality on their supposed hyper-rationalism.
24. IG_Sem+g16[view] [source] 2026-01-14 14:14:36
>>anon70+(OP)
This didn't happen in a vaccum.

The tobacco companies like RJR, packed with scientiests researching how to make cigarrettes more addictive, were trojaned into mass food companies like Nabisco [1]

It should not be a surprise that there's been a relentless pursuit of addictive food ever since.

[1] https://legalclarity.org/inside-the-rjr-nabisco-leveraged-bu...

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25. S_Bear+Jp6[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-14 16:11:54
>>atomic+xM3
For all the effort we put into science education, cooking is applied science we do every day. We should start in elementary school and keep at it through high school, in my opinion.
26. xnx+fT6[view] [source] 2026-01-14 18:02:28
>>anon70+(OP)
> engineered so that you want to eat a lot of them

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperpalatable_food

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27. kbelde+4i8[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-14 22:48:35
>>nottor+Ib2
I haven't been in a place in the US where you can't easily do that, and I don't live in a particularly urban environment.
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28. dwaite+dD9[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-15 09:27:15
>>Bombth+3S3
You mean Opiod Antagonists? They already exist
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29. Bombth+dW9[view] [source] [discussion] 2026-01-15 12:10:51
>>dwaite+dD9
Do they get prescribed for gaming addiction?
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