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Just found:

"The agent who shot a woman in Minneapolis on Wednesday was pulled about 100 yards by a car last year while firing a stun gun at the driver."

So, this is a trend.

>>techbl+(OP)
Yeah, he broke open the rear window and tried to unlock the door.

>>techbl+(OP)
Considering the behavior of ICE, it seems like they hired some folks just desperate to find legal cover to shoot someone. There are numerous videos of them casually drawing their weapons on protesters.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/comments/1q7u4kz/ice_agen...

https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q7y43s/cbp_poin...

>>techbl+(OP)
His failure to do his job correctly multiple times isn't justification for the murder of a 37 year old mother and the orphaning of her child.

Most sane government agencies would make sure he knew and started following the required protocol so that he would be safe/competent the next time before putting him back on the street. Yet he again failed to do his job and follow protocol, and stood in front of a vehicle. Seems like repeat government/leadership/agent failure.

The quote is 'We live in a world where trained cops can panic and act on impulse, but untrained civilians must remain calm with a gun in their face.'. Random americans in unusual situations can't be expected to not stress/freak out, that is realistic human nature. That is why officers are trained and required as part of their job to never place themselves in front of vehicles.

It is on the trained officers, initiating the situation and experienced with it, to keep things under control. That is literally their job. The obligation shouldn't be on a mom that just dropped her kids at school that isn't the 'trained professional' in the scenario.

>>_DeadF+Dl2
Agreed! Why wasn’t he removed from duty when he fucked up the first time! Like I said, it’s now a trend the the makes bad decisions when cars are present.

>>duxup+WJ1
The whole MO of ICE is that of intimidation. That's really their raison de être in the agency's current format.

They are effectively a paramilitary enforcing the agenda. Parallels with the 1930s Germany are really explicitly uncanny.

>>_DeadF+Dl2
If my buddies' ex (a hair dresser) is required to have more schooling and education than US law enforcement officers, I feel it's safe to say that none of these officers are "trained".

>>duxup+WJ1
My dad has a story from the late fifty's. He was at a party at his cousins house in Stockton. And the cousins brother in law had just been hired as a country sheriff and was boasting about how he was looking forward to killing his first nagger.

These kind of people exist.

>>duxup+WJ1
I feel like this is a problem that is going to be inherent to any position of power that allows people to use weapons; you very heavily selection-bias towards people want power and to use weapons, especially if the people who do abuse their position of violence are consistently allowed to do it with impunity.

Not saying that every person in law enforcement is bad, obviously; there are plenty of cops and people in the military [1] that are responsible with their weapons and do genuinely want to help people, but if you create an institution where people don't have to pay the consequences for their actions, then of course you're going to attract people who want to commit those actions.

The Catholic Church with their abusive priests is one of the most obvious examples. They create a situation where an adult male can be surrounded by kids unsupervised, not be married, and when abuse does happen it is covered up and the priest is moved somewhere else. Combined with the fact that they're paid shit, there's going to be a very strong selection bias of pedophiles.

[1] and who knows, maybe even ICE!

>>techbl+(OP)
It doesn't make any sense to me why an agent would deliberately put themselves at the front of a car if they'd previously been in such an incident (presumably they weren't hurt by the previous incident). Anyone with a functioning brain would surely have much better awareness of their positioning and should be following the guidance to approach from the side.

Also, I thought there was very clear guidance about not discharging guns towards unarmed drivers as it doesn't tend to stop them and is likely to result in the vehicle being accelerated into someone/something.

>>ndsipa+Lv4
> why an agent would deliberately put themselves at the front of a car if they'd previously been in such an incident

One reason would be that after the first time he fucked around and found out with a vehicle, he resolved to shoot the driver the next time. This would explain why he tried to box in the metal car with his squishy body while keeping an exit strategy - being positioned at the right place to claim he was worried about being hit without actually getting hit. It would also mean this incident was premeditated murder.