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At what point do U.S. citizens realise that ICE is in fact a terrorist organisation?

>>ndsipa+(OP)
Not a lawyer, but I've been thinking a lot about under which conditions stand your ground laws might apply to people defending themselves against law enforcement officers. The power balance is still such that most people won't shoot at a police (or ICE) officer, so I don't think it's likely to happen, but there is already legal precedent[1] regarding it.

[1] https://firearmslaw.duke.edu/2020/05/when-stand-your-ground-...

>>doom2+iI
As I understand it, ICE agents have no powers to stop or arrest U.S. citizens, so it does seem odd how much they are allowed to hurt and kill.

>>doom2+iI
I’m actually somewhat surprised that one of the masked, badgeless officers hasn’t been shot yet. So many of the actions look like a cartel kidnapping and some of them are happening in states with stand your ground laws where the major factor would be whether the person felt threatened.

>>ndsipa+UV
If nobody is enforcing the law, then they have the power to do whatever the administration is allowing them to do, and at this point, that seems to include everything up to and including murder.

>>ryandr+Ja1
Theoretically, this is something that a state could enforce. These ICE agents aren't just breaking federal laws.

>>ryandr+Ja1
Yeah, though who would enforce those laws? At this point you have the head of DHS stating at press conferences that she's directing ICE to disregard federal court rulings.

>>ndsipa+(OP)
When a close family member they actually care about is hurt. Until then, these cowards are more than happy to go along to get along.

>>ndsipa+(OP)
Abolishing ICE was part of AOC's original 2018 campaign platform. Now she did not mean ban all deportations but this organization was out of control 7 years ago and has just gotten worse. https://x.com/AOC/status/1031926879752802304

So like many things in the US, the right move was already proposed but it takes trying every other incorrect dumb idea before they will finally get to trying her idea.

>>kahrl+vj4
They have Palantir and the citizens don't. Although when one of them supposedly get found out they are not too happy. https://www.instagram.com/reels/DR0EfA8Erwa/

I honestly don't know how things are going to play out but it seems to be back and forth escalating.

So much has transpired in one year: the initial shock of the mass raids, the blatant disregard of the law, blocking of apps like IceBlock, etc. Neither side seems to want to back down.

>>nebula+lJ8
I'm learning about the legality of binary explosives in the USA right now.