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That's probably true, but I don't think vegans and vegetarians as a demographic overlap closely with demographics that tend to have heart disease.

(Note that I am neither a vegetarian nor a vegan.)

>>woodru+(OP)
Vegans are probably mostly healthy. Vegetarians? Religious vegetarians and healthy vegetarians intersect but mostly don't ;).

>>giveme+92
I remember seeing a paper a while back that found veganism increased your death by ischemic stroke probability threefold.

Because of old age. Being vegan increased your odds threefold to die of old age instead of prematurely from disease.

Apologies for not having a link to the source

>>woodru+(OP)
nothing stops you from reading more about the topics before commenting on them haha

>>woodru+(OP)
There may be some correlation but causality is unclear. India has a lot of vegetarians and also a high incidence of heart disease.

>>doctor+Sc
But it sure does seem like that sometimes

>>doctor+Sc
I thought that would fall under common sense, but if not:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10479225/

>>sebasv+T4
Hey, do whatever helps you sleep at night. That's what I do. We're all going to the same place - a couple of years here and there won't do much when you're that old anyway.

>>nradov+ze
That might have something more to do with almost one in four people in India being a tobacco user[1]. CDC suggests that one in four CVD deaths (in the US) is caused by tobacco use[2].

[1]: https://globalactiontoendsmoking.org/research/tobacco-around...

[2]: https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/about/cigarettes-and-cardiovascu...

>>woodru+bz
It has more to do with people who are on farming diets but no longer farm.

People in India smoked just as much when they weren't living such sedentary lifestyles.

>>sebasv+T4
This is not accurate. Please link to your source.

A healthy, whole-food plant-based diet is linked to a lower risk of ischemic stroke, with studies showing reduced risk compared to meat-eaters. The conclusion of this paper[1] for example reads that "Lower risk of total stroke was observed by those who adhered to a healthful plant-based diet."

Additionally, researchers at Harvard found that a plant-based diet may lower overall stroke risk by up to 10%. [2]

1: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8166423/

2: https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/healthy-plant-based-diet-assoc...

>>giveme+dC
I don't understand the claim: is it that farming diets are unhealthy, or something else? I'd expect subsistence lifestyles to have higher all-round mortality, but probably not CVD specifically.

> People in India smoked just as much when they weren't living such sedentary lifestyles.

I suspect they also lived shorter lives for the aforementioned all-round mortality reasons.

>>woodru+8P
Farming diets are rich in calories. Great for farmers. Not so great for desk jockeys.

>>giveme+0g1
I think most farming diets in India are closer to subsistence diets, or at least historically have been.

(If you have resources that show otherwise, that would be interesting. But smoking really does seem like the obvious historical outlying factor for heart disease in India, with calorie-dense diets playing catch up as the country has become wealthier.)

>>woodru+(OP)
There is a massive amount of research that shows that Vegans are healthier as a population than Vegetarians and definitely meat eaters. Lower risks of nearly every preventable food related illnesses, including cancer. Having this new government health pyramid flies in the face of nearly all current research.