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The man is stark raving bonkers mad in that head-in-the-sand, if-I-ignore-science-then-it-can't-hurt-me way but (and OMG I think I'm going to throw up a little in my mouth even coming close to agreeing with anything that come out of his mouth) isn't that basically what we've been doing with dietary guidelines since the 80s?

Like, don't get me wrong, RFK will kill N*10^5, N*10^6 people with his outlook on diseases, but....how many people have had their lives wrecked by "fat makes you fat", "ketchup is a vegetable", and "eat a balanced diet composed entirely of sausage, flour, and sugar"? As a GenXer I've been dealing with the echoes of this for a long time.

>>great_+(OP)
> I'm going to throw up a little in my mouth even coming close to agreeing with anything that come out of his mouth

The American cult of personality is ridiculous. The only winning move is not to play.

>>great_+(OP)
You went on a bit of a rant there - lol. I like the new guidelines they explicitly disavow processed food. As for vaccines, not everyone complaining about specific vaccines is anti vax. A lot of vaccines are also region specific. Eg HK does TB vax for kids because Nannie’s from Indonesia carry TB. No one does the TB vax in the US.

A lot of vaccines are tailored towards the mother going back to work. They could be tailored for a later schedule if there is concern about secondary effects like autism and the child is being cared for at home.

Again I’m not anti vax but I also don’t think the protocol designers are providing alternative options which they should.

>>great_+(OP)
"Isn't that basically what we've been doing with dietary guidelines since the 80s?"

If by this you mean to ask if the new guidelines are the same as previous ones from the 80s, then no. The new pyramid is different, makes different recommendations (more meat, for instance, and less wheat and grains). The website linked to explicitly shows how it is different from the previous "food pyramid" guidelines.

>>orochi+M8
> if there is concern about secondary effects like autism

It would sound more scientific and less anti-vaxxer if you said “concern about secondary effects like astrological contamination”

>>Comple+s9
No, what I meant was "haven't we been basically ignoring science on nutrition since the 80s?" I think we have.

For those who don't believe me - go find some old family photos of your parents or grandparents, whichever generation would have been young adults in the 1960s or 1970s. Compare them to people of the same age born any time after, say, 1990. Nothing come of one sample, but people from the previous generation just weren't fat in their 20s like we are.

Yes, there's more to it than that. But food is a big part of it.

>>lazyas+wa
My kids are all vaccinated according to schedule. Calling me an anti vaxxer is cheap trolling.

And yes - if kids have had serious impacts to vaccines parents should be told and providers should encourage reporting into vaers

I put autism there because it’s the most commonly used anecdote when discussing this. I’m not saying take the vax away. Eg if mmrv is the big bad vax for autism - change its schedule to be given after 2 yrs after autism tests.

>>orochi+7e
Talking about "concern for secondary effects like autism" legitimizes the theory, whether you wanted to or not; that's why the person you responded to got annoyed.

>>satiri+tz
It does not. And downvoting for being annoyed seems like a low bar. But people are just fucking hard to have a conversation these days.

On second thoughts I should have said “concern for alleged secondary effects”.

>>great_+(OP)
How dare you insult my diet of 7 Sausage McGriddles per day!

>>orochi+7e
I didn’t call you an anti-vaxxer and saying so is cheap trolling.