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1. echelo+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-12-24 15:05:54
A big part of what makes Google awful is that they are a monopoly across multiple domains. They have used extremely anticompetitive tactics, and the regulatory bodies have been asleep at the wheel.

Google owns search, the internet browser, and every point of ingress for the average person.

They transformed the URL bar into a search bar as a way to intercept everyone's thought process and turn it into the largest internet tax in the world.

Brands that spend millions or billions to establish themselves now have to competitively bid on their own established trademarks, because anyone can swoop in and put ads in front.

Google designed the results page such that the top results are what 99% of people click on. Google search is effectively an internet toll on every business.

They own the browsers, they own the HTML spec, they control the web.

To think this doesn't increase costs for consumers dramatically is absurd. This is a tax on all of us.

Not only do they do that, but they also starve informational businesses and news businesses of traffic by stealing their content and showing visitors first. The people that work to build the content are getting stiffed.

Google has tried so many times to kill websites and bring the entire Internet under their control. There was a time when not having a Google-controlled AMP website meant you didn't rank at all. Your content lived in their walled garden. Then Google coerced you to bear their network's ads.

Google has destroyed businesses and entire careers by being allowed to do this.

Don't get me started on mobile. While it's a duopoly, both market participants are subjecting all commerce and all participants to the same Gestapo regime. Everything is taxed, tightly regulated, and kept under thumb. The two titans constantly grab more surface area. I could spend an hour outlining the evils here too.

Google needs to be broken up. Not as one would expect into multiple business divisions (though this would also be wise), but instead into multiple copies of the same business that are forced to compete and stripped of certain business tactics.

This is what we did for Ma Bell. Google is way worse.

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2. fancyf+u2[view] [source] 2025-12-24 15:23:05
>>echelo+(OP)
In mobile I have been upset by the way AOSP is being deprioritised by Google and the fact they've increasingly moved features into Google play services.

In the browser space I'm pleased that Firefox exists but they are so dependent on Google that they barely qualify as competitors.

In the search space though, competition is heating up for the first time. LLMs are a good alternative to a web search for many types of questions and Google is far from the only player here. Open AI, Anthropic, etc are competitors to Google. They are competing with Google in a way which Yahoo and Bing never really managed.

Anyway I do very much agree that Google enjoys multiple monopolies and that they shouldn't. My point is that with so much easy money out there it's refreshing to see them continuing to innovate. They don't really need to.

3. Workac+cc[view] [source] 2025-12-24 16:31:24
>>echelo+(OP)
Thing thing that gets me about people who complain about google (generally, not in just the tech bubble), is that 95% of the people complaining have used Google for decades, maybe even spending 2% of their waking life using a Google product...

and have never paid Google a single penny for anything.

That's why Google is so dominant. That's why they are so skilled at data collection. The built a system that converts user data into dollars, so users don't have to pay. And users love, absolutely love, like their first born child and high school sweetheart combined into one, not having to pay for things.

Google is not the reason google sucks. People's unwillingness to compensate for services they use is. And before you comment with how you use Kagi, and Nebula, and Patreon. Yes, thank you. You are in the <0.1% of internet users who get it.

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4. echelo+Dg[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-24 17:02:15
>>Workac+cc
This is not something people can change. Good luck explaining any of this to the average person. Even 5% of people won't get it.

This is what healthy functioning regulatory bodies are supposed to do.

Stop complaining to people and start calling your legislators.

HN is one of the few places this message will land. My ask here is that you go to your lawmakers and tell them.

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5. marbro+Gx[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-24 19:12:04
>>echelo+Dg
Government is not the solution, government is the problem. There is no such thing as a healthy functioning regulatory body - they all regulate too much and some should not exist. Don't call your legislator because the most dangerous words in the English language are, "I'm from the goevrnment and I'm here to help."
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6. tim333+e71[view] [source] 2025-12-24 23:35:34
>>echelo+(OP)
There is competition. Basically everything you mention you can get from Microsoft instead for example.
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7. tim333+v71[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-24 23:37:48
>>Workac+cc
> never paid Google a single penny for anything.

Maybe not directly but if hotels and the like have to pay 15% of their turnover to Google for ads to get visitors, either directly or via booking.com etc, then you end up paying that when you stay there.

That kind of stuff is where Google's billions come from.

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8. pixl97+bk1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-25 01:32:23
>>tim333+e71
Microsoft... the convicted monopolist?
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9. Jensso+qu1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-25 03:54:15
>>pixl97+bk1
Yeah, they are an alternative, so not a monopoly in this case.
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10. echelo+hI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-25 07:21:12
>>tim333+e71
I'm glad 95% of URL bars don't just default to Google Search and immediately get hit by ad bidding war taxes. Would certainly suck if you had a well-recognized brand and just wanted your customers to access your website through the URL bar.

72% Chrome --> Google

15% Safari --> Google

5% Edge --> Bing

2% Firefox --> Google

2% Opera --> Google

...

This alone implies a divestiture of Chrome should be in the cards.

Or maybe Google would be so kind to remove queries with URL bar origination from ad sales if there's a registered trademark (within some edit distance) within the query?

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11. echelo+xN1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-25 08:53:39
>>marbro+Gx
Nothing is 100%. Unrestrained capitalism is just as bad as unrestrained government. Balance is important.

The system you exist in today is heavily regulated. Perhaps over-regulated. But you don't want to live in an unregulated chaos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle

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