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1. slg+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-12-23 01:06:14
I'm reminded of the Letter on Justice and Open Debate[1] that Bari Weiss signed only a few years ago, now she's spiking stories like this one on CECOT for showing the current administration in a negative light.

I also wonder if this story will get the type of leeway to stay on HN to collect the 200+ upvotes and 300+ comments of that previous example or if it will be flagged off the front page within minutes like so many other similar stories.

EDIT: No idea how long this post actually lasted, but checking in an hour later to see this has been flagged completely off the first 10 pages of HN despite getting close to that 200 point total.

[1] - >>23759283

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2. cdrnsf+a[view] [source] 2025-12-23 01:08:20
>>slg+(OP)
She was hired following the acquisition of Paramount to do things exactly like this. She's not a journalist.
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3. empath+L3[view] [source] 2025-12-23 01:45:24
>>slg+(OP)
Everyone who signed that letter was either a dupe or a fraud.
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4. UncleM+1a[view] [source] 2025-12-23 02:47:46
>>slg+(OP)
Weiss got her start screaming about how various college professors should be fired. There has never once been a moment in her career where she seriously cared about open debate.
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5. martyt+Vb[view] [source] 2025-12-23 03:08:02
>>slg+(OP)
You can't understand technology without understanding the people behind it. I always wonder about all these non-bot people who support her: is it that they're in on the grift and everyone understands that she's just there as a wink-wink-totaly-not state censor, or do they genuinely fall for her schtick? Is there something else? I never quite get it.

A once-reasonable friend of mine genuinely thinks RJK is just some dude who tries his best, and doesn't consider him a crazy anti-vaxxer. Crazy

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6. lostlo+nd[view] [source] 2025-12-23 03:21:42
>>slg+(OP)
A similar post with comments linking to this thread just got marked as a duplicate, taking it off the front page.

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7. dralle+Fk[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 04:54:30
>>cdrnsf+a
Literally not a journalist. She went from the opinion pages to writing opinion on substack. And for "some reason" was put in charge of a news organization.
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8. derekt+Am[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 05:16:18
>>dralle+Fk
She has worked as a staff editor in newsrooms, most notably at Tablet. It’s not accurate to say her career has solely been in the opinion section.

Also, it’s not unheard of for people working on the op-ed side of the house to become editors in chief. Most notable example I can think of would be Katharine Viner at the Guardian. And in the reverse, James Bennet went from being editor in chief at the Atlantic to running the op-ed page at the NYT.

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9. UncleM+VB[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 08:46:37
>>derekt+Am
I wouldn't exactly use James Bennet as a successful example here.
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10. skywho+vZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 13:11:38
>>derekt+Am
Are you actually arguing that she was a qualified choice for this role at CBS?
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11. timcob+WZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 13:15:45
>>empath+L3
You gotta give us more than that
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12. wooooo+p11[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 13:29:55
>>derekt+Am
Ok, so with charity she's a marginally qualified 150 million dollar aquihire? In journalism?
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13. justin+D21[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 13:42:04
>>derekt+Am
She's never been a reporter, and even in the kindest interpretation of her actions, it's starting to show.
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14. cridde+441[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 13:56:46
>>skywho+vZ
You’d have to know the qualifying criteria to know for sure.

I suspect she was hired at least in part because she would be willing to take the heat for stuff like this,

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15. Smirki+v61[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 14:19:02
>>cridde+441
Her upward trajectory has been facilitated mainly through pleasing select silicon valley billionaires by echoing their views back to them in her ironically named The Free Press outlet, which they also helped found.
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16. aksnsb+J61[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 14:21:23
>>derekt+Am
> most notably at Tablet

She is more or less an Israeli propaganda agent. She was hired at CBS because, after purchasing CBS from Zionist Shari Redstone, Zionist Larry Ellison and his son needed a reliable Zionist editor in chief. Weiss’ primary qualifications are her extremely pro Israeli career path.

Larry Ellison needed a woman like Weiss because he’s invested in Israel’s success. He’s both a close personal friend of Netanyahu and the number one private donor to the IDF. Netanyahu has declared US public perception of Israel as the 8th front of their war, and Ellison (with the help of Trump) is doing his part stateside.

Why we have so many powerful “Americans” exercising their power on behalf of a foreign country is the real discussion here.

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17. manana+p91[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 14:45:54
>>martyt+Vb
> just some dude who tries his best, and doesn't consider him a crazy anti-vaxxer

As much as it would be comforting for all dudes who’re trying their best to pretend otherwise, the two are not mutually exclusive. (No opinion on whether RFK Jr is in the intersection—I’m not in the US and couldn’t affect his actions if I tried.)

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18. diogen+7b1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 15:01:36
>>aksnsb+J61
Hundreds of comments and the only one speaking the truth is downvoted. Bari Weiss is unqualified and the only reason she was put into this position is to be a useful idiot for Israel.
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19. UncleM+jg1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 15:30:29
>>timcob+WZ
The signatories have spent years attacking free expression. A particularly acute case is when it comes to things like advocating for the end of israeli occupation in palestine, but there are many others. Whining about BLM is a particularly common approach for Thomas Chatterton Williams.

The signatories have generally continued to complain about censoriousness from the left even while the right wing is detaining people for their speech, insisting that media personalities be fired for their speech, insisting that people (including naturalized citizens) be deported for their speech, cancelling grants because they are too "woke", and straight up passing laws banning the teaching of certain topics in secondary and postsecondary school.

Weiss herself is a participant with UATX, a expressly right wing university that has fired people for not being sufficiently critical of DEI efforts.

Weiss also has a long history of efforts to stifle the public debate that the signatories claim to support. The first thing that got her notoriety was an effort to get various professors at Columbia fired for their speech.

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20. drewbe+Fg1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 15:33:43
>>UncleM+1a
Or journalistic principles.
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21. joncra+Nh1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 15:42:28
>>martyt+Vb
>is it that they're in on the grift and everyone understands that she's just there as a wink-wink-totaly-not state censor, or do they genuinely fall for her schtick?

It's both. That's one of the things that's difficult to suss out and therefore have a plan to engage. There's plausible deniability on both ends of that spectrum. Even in the high positions in the administration, there's a smattering of True Believers in amongst the grifters.

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22. djl0+qi1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 15:47:15
>>UncleM+jg1
I think you're really off base. A quick search about what Williams has said about censorship on the right seems to undermine your one non-weiss example [1]. There were more than a hundred signatories from across a fairly wide political spectrum (and the letter itself was anti-Trump). The handful of signatories that I follow have squarely denounced right wing censoriousness - I'm open to hearing that I'm seeing a non-representative sample, but you didn't provide any useful info on that front.

[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/02/woke-right...

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23. spanki+6l1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 16:04:09
>>UncleM+1a
Indeed. Weiss came up as conservative troll and engagement farmer, and was hired as such by Ellison.
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24. UncleM+Pl1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 16:09:16
>>djl0+qi1
Notice how this article frames the entire thing as caused by the left and happily ignores the fact that what is happening under Trump is not new. Were the excesses of the left the cause of the Stop Woke Act in Florida? The right has been screaming about firing professors since God and Man at Yale was published. In my opinion, this is not anything resembling a serious accounting of the threats to speech from the right.

And you can compare this article against the entire book that he published about the left's flaws this year. On one hand we've got an article critical of the right that finds the need to smuggle criticisms of the left in constantly and on the other hand we have a complete manuscript. You tell me where Williams is focusing his attention.

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25. djl0+Go1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 16:27:30
>>UncleM+Pl1
In terms of the actual topic, I would be shocked if Williams approved of spiking the CECOT 60 mins story, if it is in fact politically motivated as many suspect. And I'm not particularly a "fan" of Williams or anything, though I've heard him on a couple of podcasts.

But you're also making this point about all signatories being hypocrites because you seemingly have a big bone to pick with the amount of blame Thomas Chatterton Williams portions to each side.

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26. UncleM+gt1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 16:58:53
>>Smirki+v61
This really is the future of journalism. Just make content that a few deranged billionaires like and rise up and up and up and up. CBS doesn't have to care whether ordinary people like it. What matters is the asshole with billions of dollars.
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27. UncleM+Kt1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-23 17:02:12
>>djl0+Go1
So, can we see him writing about how this was a bad thing?

Williams is a public intellectual. What goes on in his mind is of much less importance to public discourse than what he writes.

Let me be clear. I believe that Williams is a hypocrite and I believe that the large majority of the signatories on the harpers letter are hypocrites. I mention him specifically because he was one of the people who actually wrote a lot of its text rather than just signing it, which makes him of particular interest for this discussion.

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28. cridde+Dw2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-12-24 00:02:15
>>Smirki+v61
I suspect her bosses are very happy with who they hired. The chances that they now regret her are about 0%.
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