zlacker

I ran across "Are We Decentralized Yet" recently, which shows how decentralized services are in practice: https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/

A lot of people try and deflect from Bluesky's governance issues by pointing at the fact that you _could_, in theory, self-host it or use another instance to bypass it. In practice though, that's something almost nobody does (unlike with the fediverse), which allows the company behind it to make decisions like this for effectively everyone with no checks whatsoever.

>>pojntf+(OP)
Amazing website, I have seen this earlier and I really enjoyed it

Honestly, I'd like to chime in the fact that I always used to think that web was so just aws,google,microsoft,cloudflare hosting it and there is some truth to it but if someone feels this way, I recommend people to look at some websites like https://serverdeals.cc https://https://vpspricetracker.com/ etc and going on places like lowendtalk and even talking to some people who are vps providers and talking to them etc, it was very fascinating

Another point I'd like to chime in, being more relevant perhaps is that as I have told in other comment, bluesky itself isnt centralizing/asking for id to just use it but they are asking it for the dm functionality which is still centralized/ even unencrypted. They are working on improving it/making it decentralized but although I feel like I dont enjoy bluesky that much because of its shannon index as you showed compared to say fediverse, this message today isnt the issue

Fediverse itself doesnt know how to handle direct messages / most likely they are unencrypted too (atleast of lemmy they are that I know of)

But I am interested how the shannon index of fediverse is so low when threads app has 10s of millions of people, how does that work/not centralized too?

Also I had heard that the creator of pixelfed is working on an encrypted fediverse messaging app but I have been interested in this for so long but I am interested if you know of any such applications right now

>>Imusta+Q3
Threads is a one way view into the fediverse and opt in too boot. Only Threads users who turn it on are visible to the wider fediverse and many instances on Mastodon de-federate from Threads anyway.

I can follow Hank Green on Threads but the interoperability basically ends there.

>>Imusta+Q3
> Fediverse itself doesnt know how to handle direct messages

What do you mean by this? Direct messages are not end-to-end encrypted, I don't know what you mean by "doesn't know how to handle". Almost every platform with direct messages doesn't have E2E today, that's the same as email, twitter, Discord... basically every other messaging platform on the web besides Signal and Matrix, for better or worse.

>>nightp+lg
Well yeah to be honest, I kinda hope that one day we can get something like matrix on top of fediverse and so yeah you are right almost every platform doesnt have direct message e2ee but I was hoping that someday someone can build it for fediverse.

I remember its name (sup) but I don't really see any good updates I am not sure to be honest (https://www.notebookcheck.net/Pixelfed-Loops-and-Sup-Alterna...)