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Gleam is a great language. It didn't click for me when I was trying it out, but I'm glad to see more people enjoying it.

And I wonder if Gleam + Lustre could become the new Elm.

>>scuff3+(OP)
As a mostly back end dev Elm looked really nice but all the conflict with the creator and then the lack of compiler releases made me shy away a bit.

I have bumped into "the Elm architecture" in other projects though and it was nice.

>>tempes+T
Which conflicts? Gleam seems to be released often?

>>stylus+e4
The elm drama

>>scuff3+(OP)
I recently used Gleam + Lustre for a small app that I normally would have built with Elm + PostgREST. It went very well, and I'm now planning to use it for a larger rewrite (of a rails app).

>>tempes+T
> all the conflict with the creator

Just so no one misunderstands this. The creator (Evan) didn't get into, or start, any drama himself that I ever noticed. I'd argue he's a very chill and nice dude.

I've been on the edges of the community for probably a decade now (lurker), and all of the drama came from other people who simply didn't like the BDFL and slow releases strategy.

>>tempes+T
Yeah I'm not a front end dev but I do kind of keep track of what's going on in that space. From what I saw it seemed Elm was all but dead. Maybe that's not true, but that was the impression from the outside looking in.

>>rapind+p7
Anecdotically I recently got into Ruby, via Sinatra, and enjoy the experience.

What are you lacking in ruby and rails, besides the types?

>>rapind+p7
I've considered playing around with it. Every now and then I tell myself I'm gonna learn front end dev, but as soon as I start looking at it (FE in general not Lustre specifically) I get depressed and give up lol

>>scuff3+i8
https://iselmdead.info/

I can't believe this is still up tbh. And I can't believe there's still people defending Elm's lack of development

> It’s true that there hasn’t been a new release of the Elm compiler for some time. That’s on purpose: it’s essentially feature-complete.

Last talk I saw by Evan Czaplicki (from the 2025 Scala Days conf) he seemed to be working on some sort of database language https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OtN4iiFBsQ

>>tempes+T
Not many people use elm directly but it has influenced the design of so many frameworks and libraries.

Right now I’m toying with the idea of building a GNOME application in rust, and the framework I’m using is relm4 which provides elm like abstractions over gtk-rs.

Previously I’ve built web applications with F# and elmish, which again provides elm like abstractions for building F# applications.

>>culi+Gk
I get the sentiment. He feels like everything he wants is there so it doesn't need much more development. But it still feels off.

>>aryono+zG
The Roc programing language is being developed because Richard Feldman wanted an Elm like experience in more places then just the front end.

>>rapind+p7
This Lustre? https://www.lustre.org/

Seems to be a filesystem, how would it replace a database?

>>thelas+7N
This one is likely what they were referring to: https://github.com/lustre-labs/lustre

>>thelas+7N
No, this one https://hexdocs.pm/lustre/index.html

>>scuff3+(OP)
I looked at lustre for a recent project and it seems very nice. But the ecosystem is pretty small yet (I could find no examples of auth, for one), so I ended up going with liveview.

I'm hoping it succeeds and gets bigger because I really like its ergonomics.

>>tempes+T
> the lack of compiler releases

I'm a backend dev mostly and use Elm for all my frontend needs. Yes there are some things compiler-side that could be improved, but basically it's fine.

I appreciate not having to keep up with new releases!

>>culi+Gk
> And I can't believe there's still people defending Elm's lack of development

Why? (I'm one such person defending Elm's lack of development)

>>tasuki+Mg1
From the outside the project honestly does look kind of dead, what's your take on the development and community?

>>scuff3+v82
The project is kind of dead but the community is alive!