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Hi, it's me, Wikipedia, and I am ready for your apology

submitted by imicha+(OP) on 2025-10-28 14:35:43 | 207 points 148 comments
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5. btilly+Bc[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 15:32:57
>>marcel+09
Indeed, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has_C... is a worthwhile read on this. Wikimedia is on an internal expense growth spiral that won't stop until they max out on the willingness of others to donate.
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15. embedd+ag[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 15:49:55
>>babbli+bb
> The articles in Grokipedia indicate that they have undergone fact-checking by the Grok model.[3] Visitors to Grokipedia cannot make edits, though they can suggest edits via a pop-up form for reporting wrong information.[5] Musk positioned Grokipedia as an alternative to Wikipedia that would "purge out the propaganda" in the latter.[1] Articles have been described as manipulated to promote right-wing perspectives and Elon Musk's views,[4][7] medical misinformation,[7] and for removing content disfavored by Musk.[8][9] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grokipedia

Seems like a great platform, here's to hoping it costs a lot to run and doesn't influence too many humans to drink bleach.

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16. dreamc+ig[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 15:50:27
>>babbli+bb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grokipedia
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38. mapont+jk[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 16:06:24
>>unethi+Sh
Fifty four percent of Americans now read below the sixth grade level, and the trend is getting worse rather than better.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/02/us-literacy-rate/

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50. HPsqua+xl[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 16:12:36
>>dreamc+ig
That references another article "Views of Elon Musk" ... Quite an unusual format, "views of [public figure]". I don't remember seeing anything quite like it on Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk

52. geye12+Pl[view] [source] 2025-10-28 16:14:13
>>imicha+(OP)
Peter Hitchens had a hell of a time trying to fix Wikipedia's appalling biases:

https://hitchensblogarchive.wordpress.com/2018/08/06/goodbye...

Search the site for other examples of the fun he had with it.

I'd choose Wikipedia over AI, of course, so I'm ultimately grateful it's there. But better than both would be a well-edited traditional encyclopedia, written by experts in a single voice, and possibly peer-reviewed.

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57. z7+jm[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 16:16:06
>>babbli+bb
Here's the Grokipedia submission (currently censored / flagged):

>>45726459

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70. whokno+fo[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 16:24:18
>>wortel+1n
What an astoundingly similar comment to: >>45734456

I'm sorry but there is no way for reasonable people to believe that Grokipedia would be a legitimate alternative to wikipedia.

It betrays a deep misunderstanding about LLM's in general, but especially grok, and objectivity itself as a concept.

71. antiso+jo[view] [source] 2025-10-28 16:24:37
>>imicha+(OP)

    I bet now you’d kill for a senior thesis based on my free, multilingual, publicly cited, text-based articles, motherfucker
Yeeeeeeeeah.... Not if it's written in or about the Scots language.

(see: https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/26/scots_wikipedia_fake/ ) (see also: that time the Scottish governmment used Scots wikipedia as a source)

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93. incomi+px[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 17:01:05
>>jaredk+sr
>It’s and honest question. I haven’t noticed a strong bias on Wikipedia but that may just be because the kinds of the things I look up on Wikipedia are usually not political in nature.

Lets do it on some random article that isnt political.I have aichophobia, so I'm an outside observer on this one. I will never ever ever ever have it done on me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture

>Acupuncture[b] is a form of alternative medicine[2] and a component of traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) in which thin needles are inserted into the body.[3] Acupuncture is a pseudoscience;[4][5] the theories and practices of TCM are not based on scientific knowledge,[6] and it has been characterized as quackery.[c]

So no neutrality here at all. Just straight up ideological attack. You scroll down:

>It is difficult but not impossible to design rigorous research trials for acupuncture.[69][70]

So that's some pretty strong and biased statements against a widely used procedure that they cant really make conclusions about?

https://grokipedia.com/page/Acupuncture

>Scientific evaluation reveals that while acupuncture demonstrates short-term benefits for some pain-related issues compared to no treatment, its superiority over sham procedures—such as needle insertion at non-acupoints—is often minimal or absent, suggesting effects may stem from placebo responses, expectation, or non-specific factors like counter-irritation rather than meridian-based mechanism

This is shockingly better writing.

>A 2020 Cochrane systematic review of 33 randomized controlled trials (RCTs) involving 7,297 participants found that acupuncture, compared to no treatment or sham acupuncture, provided short-term pain relief and functional improvement for chronic nonspecific low back pain, with standardized mean differences (SMD) of -0.82 for pain versus no treatment (moderate-quality evidence) and -0.18 versus sham (low-quality evidence due to imprecision and inconsistency).[91] The

This is what I'm aware of. That acupuncture has some minimum affect on pain better than placebo. Efficacy comparable to tylenol for pain relief. Which I dont know if you know, but tylenol is extremely ineffective for pain relief.

The science says there's something to it, it's difficult to measure, and further investigation is needed. But Wiki's ideological bias is showing big time.

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117. theamk+2T[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 18:30:36
>>geye12+Pl
I decided to look at why the original block happened.. it's on [0], search for "July 2018", then check out administrator's reply, including the links to recent edits.

I had no opinion either way, but wow, I have to agree with the block here. Peter put words like "This was a ridiculous statement" into wikipedia article, which is as far from wikipedia tone as it can get; and then completely failed to understand administrator's advice on the tone.

If you want to show wikipedia has problems, you might want to choose some other example.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Clockba...

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121. tim333+o01[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 19:00:07
>>wortel+1n
I glanced at the Gaza stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Israel_conflict and it seemed quite a reasonable summary. What makes it useless? Any facts wrong?

I'm kind of neutral on the conflict and genuinely curious.

About the only bit of Wikipedia I've come across that I feel is inaccurate due to editorial policy is on covid origins https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_SARS-CoV-2

>While other explanations, such as speculations that SARS-CoV-2 was accidentally released from a laboratory have been proposed, such explanations are not supported by evidence.

Which I don't think is true.

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125. dreamc+Oe1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-28 19:53:53
>>rsynno+tT
His own entry in grokpedia [0] says two conflicting things:

"Musk founded SpaceX in 2002 as CEO and chief engineer, Tesla in 2003 where he became CEO in 2008..."

and later on the same page,

"...the company [Tesla] had been founded in 2003 by engineers Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning with a focus on high-performance EVs."

Grok can't seem to keep its story straight.

[0] https://grokipedia.com/page/Elon_Musk

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