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1. thomas+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-10-07 18:27:07
Yes, this is what warrants are for.

Flock's entire business model is a flagrant violation of the 4th amendment. What Flock does for their core business is called "stalking", which is a crime.

The issue here is not that the law is inadequate to resolve this problem. The issue is that the current administration has chosen to collude with private corporations that flagrantly violate the law, thereby replacing our entire judiciary system with a protection racket.

Please don't be generous. Fascists depend on our patience to insulate them from consequences.

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2. jtbayl+c2[view] [source] 2025-10-07 18:38:21
>>thomas+(OP)
Flock has existed for longer than 3 years, hasn't it?
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3. thomas+M2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-07 18:41:28
>>jtbayl+c2
What's your point?
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4. godels+Vg[view] [source] 2025-10-07 19:45:41
>>thomas+(OP)
I'm not sure why we've decided that if one dude named Mark stalks one girl then he's a creep, but if he stalks a million girls he's a hero and role model.
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5. queenk+Ks1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-08 05:41:50
>>thomas+M2
From where I'm at, both parties enjoy their warrantless stalking data. The problem isn't limited to the current administration.
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6. UncleM+3b2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-08 12:05:42
>>queenk+Ks1
It is true that the dems have not been good on the topic of mass surveillance. Obama leveraged and expanded what Bush had built, the Obama DoJ defended mass surveillance in court, and Biden didn't do anything to change this direction. The dems found this stuff to be too useful and appealing to resist and helped build the machine that now supports Trump's fascism.

But it is also correct to say that Trump is a fascist and that Biden wasn't one.

7. array_+664[view] [source] 2025-10-09 01:49:56
>>thomas+(OP)
Yes, but the problem is deeper than flock or even privacy as a concept. The problem is that we routinely fail to recognize organization crime. Basically, you're allowed to just spread and obfuscate accountability and get away with basically anything.

If I stalk someone, I go to jail. If 100 people get together and invent Super Stalking and they stalk everyone all the time, nobody goes to jail. It's completely counter-intuitive but this is how we structured society and justice.

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8. thomas+8Gd[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-12 16:27:19
>>array_+664
If 100 police officers get together and stalk you, that is a crime.

The problem here is not the lack of law, it's the lack of law enforcement.

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9. array_+Y2l[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-15 03:21:00
>>thomas+8Gd
No, it's literally not a crime. That's what flock is used for and it's perfectly legal.
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10. thomas+Y4n[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-10-15 17:06:52
>>array_+Y2l
Not according to the 4th amendment, and precedent set by the supreme court. Police can't just keep notes on every time and place they have seen your license plate. Doing it digitally, and feeding that info to an LLM isn't meaningfully different, apart from how much obviously worse it is.

Flock isn't legal. It simply hasn't been prosecuted, either.

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