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1. Jtsumm+g8[view] [source] 2025-10-07 16:56:05
>>locopa+(OP)
> “As much as Flock tries to be good stewards of the powerful tech we sell, this shows it really is up to users to serve their communities in good faith. Selling to law-enforcement is tricky because we assume they will use our tech to do good and then just have to hope we're right.”

> The Flock source added “Even if Flock took a stance on permitted use-cases, a motivated user could simply lie about why they're performing a search. We can never 100% know how or why our tools are being used.” A second Flock source said they believe Flock should develop a better idea of what its clients are using the company’s technology for.

In other words, why bother with safeguards when they'll just lie to us anyways?

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2. scottl+6c[view] [source] 2025-10-07 17:12:39
>>Jtsumm+g8
> Even if Flock took a stance on permitted use-cases, a motivated user could simply lie about why they're performing a search. We can never 100% know how or why our tools are being used.

I think this is a legitimate problem.

But...isn't this what warrants are for? With a warrant, the police have to say why they want to perform a search to a judge, under threat of perjury. They have a powerful incentive not to lie.

So...should warrants be required for this kind of Flock data also? Couldn't Flock set a policy that these searches are performed only under warrant? Or a law be enacted saying the same? I imagine it would make Flock much less attractive to their potential customers, and searches would be performed much less often. [1] So it's not something Flock is going to do on their own. I think we'd need to create the pressure, by opposing purchases of Flock or by specifically asking our elected representatives to create such a law.

[1] If I'm being generous, because of the extra friction/work/delay. If I'm being less generous, because they have no legitimate reason a judge would approve.

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3. thomas+bs[view] [source] 2025-10-07 18:27:07
>>scottl+6c
Yes, this is what warrants are for.

Flock's entire business model is a flagrant violation of the 4th amendment. What Flock does for their core business is called "stalking", which is a crime.

The issue here is not that the law is inadequate to resolve this problem. The issue is that the current administration has chosen to collude with private corporations that flagrantly violate the law, thereby replacing our entire judiciary system with a protection racket.

Please don't be generous. Fascists depend on our patience to insulate them from consequences.

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4. jtbayl+nu[view] [source] 2025-10-07 18:38:21
>>thomas+bs
Flock has existed for longer than 3 years, hasn't it?
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5. thomas+Xu[view] [source] 2025-10-07 18:41:28
>>jtbayl+nu
What's your point?
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