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> How many can name them? How long did their deaths stay in the headlines? How much coverage were they given, and how much coverage will Kirk be given?

I couldn't have named Kirk if I saw him or heard about him before he shot and it entered the news. Not sure what that tells us -- we should know more who our representatives are, or know about various "influencers" in politics and such?

EDIT: I saw you initially mentioned two representatives who were murdered but now it looks like there is only one. So even though you criticize others for not knowing who these murdered representatives were, it seems you don't even know who they were or if they were even murdered.

> Don't want to talk in bad taste by going to this so early, but...

Well this is how usually talking in bad taste early starts ;-). It's kind of like saying "No offense, but ... $insert_offense_here".

>>rdtsc+(OP)
One key difference here is that the MN Democrats killed and injured were relatively niche/local participants in the Democratic party in MN (none of that that makes their death or injury any more acceptable or less appalling). Kirk is a highly significant figure in the right wing media world.

>>PaulDa+C1
MN Democrats were not random “niche” “Democrats” but US CONGRESSMEN

>>PaulDa+C1
Melissa Hortman wasn’t a niche local politician - she was the speaker of the Minnesota House.

>>germin+kh
Would you care to estimate the number of Americans who even knew her name?

She had power in MN, but had not become a "national" politician (yet).

>>PaulDa+st
I made no claim that she was a national figure. Merely pointing out that calling a politician holding one of the highest offices in state government a niche, local politician intentionally diminishes them.

>>germin+dC
I was not intentionally trying to diminish her.

I suspect that unless you live in New Mexico, you have no idea who the speaker of the NM House is. That's not a diminshment of the office or the person holding it, it's a recognition that while such positions come with significant power within the context of a state, they are quite hidden from residents of other states.

>>bdangu+Ee
No, they weren't US congressmen. Funny you just like that other whining guy don't even know anything about the subject. "They" (actually only one) was a MINNESOTA CONGRESSMAN, not a US CONGRESSMEN. You probably aren't even aware there is a Minnesota congress.

>>asgees+qW
Minnesota is part of Canada now? Must have missed that… :)

>>bdangu+OW
You missed the part of your education that taught you the difference between a state representative and a US representative.

>>bdangu+OW
> MN Democrats were not random “niche” “Democrats” but US CONGRESSMEN reply

> Minnesota is part of Canada now? Must have missed that… :)

When you've dug yourself into a hole it's good idea to stop digging and get out instead of keep digging. As the GP pointed out, a US member of Congress refers to representative in the US Congress (that one from Washington, DC).

In addition to the US Congress, states have their legislative bodies. Melissa Hortman was a member of such a state legislative body -- the Minnesota House of Representatives.

So on one hand you sound like you know a lot about her and want her to be more well known, on the other hand you don't even know what legislative body she was a representative in. So that's pretty confusing.

>>germin+kh
And how many people outside of Minnesota you think would know her. I bet the majority of people in MN wouldn't didn't know who she is.

For instance do you know Brandon Ler, the Montana House of Representatives speaker? Or, say, Nathaniel Ledbetter, the Alabama House of Representatives?

Are they "niche" politicians? In their states, no. But, absolutely yes when it comes to people from other states and more so from across the world.

>>PaulDa+zN
They hold meaningful office within their states. That is neither niche nor local even if they lack a national profile.

>>PaulDa+C1
The other thing you're leaving out is that Charlie Kirk was actively provoking people with outrageous takes, perhaps as a social media strategy.

It doesn't justify death, but it certainly makes it less surprising and more understandable.

Imagine if a democrat went into the deep south and said "The confederacy was a stupid joke you should be ashamed of, it only existed for 4 years, get rid of the flag already." etc etc and posted it to social media while talking over people trying to engage in debate.

Then that would be an apples-to-apples comparison. Not an elected representative.