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1. khalic+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-08-15 10:20:56
Then create a new party, give talks about this, mobilize your friends, family, make them understand that civil liberty is literally worth dying for
replies(3): >>extrai+E2 >>esskay+N2 >>whywhy+89
2. extrai+E2[view] [source] 2025-08-15 10:45:02
>>khalic+(OP)
I really get annoyed when someone suggests this (it not your fault). You are believing what you are told at school about how Politics works. Many of us understand this is unrealistic.

Here is an incomplete list of reasons why I would never get involved directly in politics:

1. It takes literally decades to get a political party off the ground without major backing. All the new parties that you hear of are bankrolled by elite backing.

2. The way the Government and the civil service is setup is designed so you can't actually make any changes. Dominic Cummings has many interviews he did in the last year you can find where he explains how Whitehall is fundamentally broken. I suggest you listen to them.

3. I have a chequed past. Most of my adult life I was abusing alcohol, and as a consequence of that I have done and said lots of stupid things. A good portion of my extended family are criminals (which I don't associate with for obvious reasons). If I or anything connected to me gain any public appeal at all, I would have all the muck which I've put behind me dragged up. I don't want to expose myself or my family to that.

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3. esskay+N2[view] [source] 2025-08-15 10:46:09
>>khalic+(OP)
For a new political party to succeed in the uk you need millions in funding, and nobodys going to fund something that potentially affects their vast sums of money.

"Just start a new party and tell people about it" is perhaps the most misleading and flawed idea you could present unfortunately. There have been new parties, there are new parties at every general election, you never hear about them for good reason.

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4. khalic+44[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-15 10:59:45
>>extrai+E2
Sorry for your past, happy you got out of it.

1. Listen, yes it’s very hard work, but it’s this or be squeezed until there’s nothing else. And when people start having famines we’ll have a new French Revolution, millions will die, and this will require a lot more energy than doing changes today.

2. Will do, I don’t know enough on that subject to have an opinion on that. But unjust, unmovable systems, like monarchies (wink) have been toppled in the past. Even recently.

3. Sorry I was just using my environment as an example, I meant people that trust you, that you trust. This kind of movement starts small

replies(2): >>skeezy+65 >>extrai+I6
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5. khalic+m4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-15 11:03:13
>>esskay+N2
Ok I don’t know enough about this political system to contribute on that, there are some political systems built like that, like the US.
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6. skeezy+65[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-15 11:10:38
>>khalic+44
give an example of a non violent movement such as youre describing. i dont think one has ever existed and actually achieved anything
replies(1): >>khalic+Zf
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7. extrai+I6[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-15 11:25:04
>>khalic+44
> Sorry for your past, happy you got out of it.

Thanks.

> Listen, yes it’s very hard work, but it’s this or be squeezed until there’s nothing else. And when people start having famines we’ll have a new French Revolution, millions will die, and this will require a lot more energy than doing changes today.

All parties that you would have heard of, will have major backing from a number of wealthy donors. You also have to have the right people involved. Not everyone should be engaged in politics directly.

I am not under the delusion that I can fix the country. I can't even master the mess in my spare room. The best I can do is try to help my family, friends and community.

As for violent conflict. Many people think there is going to be some sort of violent conflict coming to the UK. David Betz has several interviews on YouTube on the subject. I've emailed him personally (about something unrelated) and he is a serious person. I don't know whether he is right or not and only time will tell.

> Will do, I don’t know enough on that subject to have an opinion on that. But unjust, unmovable systems, like monarchies (wink) have been toppled in the past. Even recently.

The monarchy isn't the problem.

8. whywhy+89[view] [source] 2025-08-15 11:42:30
>>khalic+(OP)
Influence for this is obviously a 3rd party bankrolling it, it all came together in about 6 weeks in multiple countries. Doesn't matter who you vote in they'll just bankroll the next one too.
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9. desas+ka[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-15 11:51:12
>>khalic+m4
The same thing applies in the US doesn't it? There has essentially only been two political parties (three if you squint hard enough) for nearly the entire existence of the country?
replies(2): >>khalic+Dj >>amanap+2o
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10. khalic+Zf[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-15 12:32:14
>>skeezy+65
Yellow jacket france
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11. khalic+Dj[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-15 12:54:07
>>desas+ka
Yeah that’s why I was making the parallel
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12. amanap+2o[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-15 13:17:46
>>desas+ka
The US problem is the lack of proportional representation. Getting support of 49% of the population gets you 0% role in government.
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13. skeezy+WL[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-15 15:23:32
>>khalic+Zf
they didnt change anything
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14. khalic+IN[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-15 15:34:14
>>skeezy+WL
The co2 tax, which sparked the protests, was repealed. So yes it did exactly what they wanted
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15. desas+JT[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-15 16:01:26
>>khalic+Dj
Oh thanks for clearing that up, I misunderstood on my previous read.
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16. Jensso+gK1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-08-15 21:09:07
>>amanap+2o
UK also has that problem, but its even worse with a minority supported government getting majority power.
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