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Am i the only one that finds

    System Information: Hardware specs, OS details, architecture
    Usage Patterns: Active time, session duration, feature usage
    Performance Metrics: Response times, resource consumption
    Unique Identifiers: Machine ID, user ID, device fingerprints
    Workspace Details: Project information, file paths (obfuscated)

Not to really bad that obtrusive? Like i don't really see anything there that i'd be offended in them taking?

>>cchanc+(OP)
I would not want to share these:

Unique Identifiers: Machine ID, user ID, device fingerprints Workspace Details: Project information, file paths (obfuscated)

Plus os details.

I'd rather none.

>>cchanc+(OP)
Seems like a lot, especially after checking "disable telemetry"

>>cchanc+(OP)
"file paths (obfuscated)" -- this is likely enough for them to work out who the user is, if they work on open source software. They get granular timing data and the files the user has edited, which they could match with open source PRs in their analytics pipeline.

I suspect they aren't actually doing that, but the GDPR cares not what you're doing with the data, but what is possible with it, hence why any identifier (even "obfuscated") which could lead back to a user is considered PII.

>>cchanc+(OP)
I always want the choice to be mine.

I was interested in learning Dart until the installer told me Google would be collecting telemetry. For a programming language. I’ve never looked at it again.

>>cchanc+(OP)
I don't want any program on my computer including the OS to make any network calls whatsoever unless they're directly associated with executing GUI/CLI interactions I have currently undertaken as the user. Any exception should be opt-in. IMHO the entire Overton window of these remote communications is in the wrong place.

>>cchanc+(OP)
Imagine your text editor sending network data to unknown resources and there is no way to disable that

>>cchanc+(OP)
Yes, you're the only one.

>>macint+I3
As a somewhat paranoid person I find this level of paranoia beyond me. Like do you own a car? Or a phone? A credit card? Walk around in public where there's cameras on every block? I don't agree with it at all but the world we're living it makes it impossible to not be tracked with way more than (usually anonymized) telemetry data.

>>ragequ+Ud
I'm aware I'm being tracked all the time. That doesn't mean I have to encourage more of it.

We all pick our own battles.

>>macint+I3
It can be disabled btw. And no telemetry is collected on first run.

I keep it disabled for both Dart and Flutter.

>>user39+Y3
Yeah but this is industry standard

not saying this is good but everyone do this

>>tonyha+Mn
It's industry standard for porn stars to get fucked on camera. But I'm not a porn star, and I don't want to be fucked on camera.

Handwaving away this abuse of privacy by saying "everyone does it because it makes money" is a gross justification.

>>cchanc+(OP)
I'm not sure if you were being sarcastic, but I honestly don't think how it could possibly get any more intrusive without directly uploading files.

>>Futuri+bn
Maybe someday I’ll give it a shot, but it’s hard to undo the damage from a terrible first impression like that.

>>shit_g+dp
same reason you apply at porn stars analogy

no one force you to use these tools, you can use another tools that suit your needs

if you read terms of service and privacy policy then you agree to it because you use it then company have right too

>>tonyha+hq
https://consumerrights.wiki/index.php/EULA_roofie

>>shit_g+dp
Then why are you in a porn movie?

>>tonyha+hq
No one is forcing anyone to use Trae.

But the telemetry settings not working and the actions of the Trae moderators to quash any discussion of the telemetry is extremely concerning. People should be able to make informed decisions about the programs they are using, and the Trae developers don't seem to agree.

>>blacko+Ir
To further the analogy, sex may be an industry, but not everyone who participates does so comercially. Some who do so comercially may not want to be filmed.

>>tonyha+Mn
The industry is in a rather sorry state right now though. We can, and should, do better.

>>ipaddr+E
How do you do abuse detection for free-tier without these?

>>ragequ+Ud
> (usually anonymized) telemetry data.

Anonymization is usually a lie:

>>20513521

>>21428449

Also please stop with security/privacy nihilism, >>27897975

>>maven2+qD
Same way Linux does it.

>>maven2+qD
Provide a light version of your app for the free tier that does not use any remote resources ofc.

Then you don't have to worry about "abuse".

>>tonyha+Mn
> Yeah but this is industry standard

we don't have to accept it. but people say "it's just how we do it" and suddenly people just accept it.

i really feel like our society is going to collapse soon, if it hasn't already begun to. the amount of total crap that people are put through just so that ads can be more targeted to users. we are creating a hellscape for privacy and freedom just so people click on ads. it is pure and complete insanity, and no one cares.

>>maven2+qD
Counter-abuse is hardly the answer

>>fsflov+JN
It's not nihilism. I still ad block, use an RFID wallet, and don't install any apps on my phone, I rarely use google for anything. But at some point when something is so ridiculously useful and the data they're getting doesn't really mean much of anything I have to stop caring. I use Windows 11 (gross) because it lets me play video games with my friends I can't otherwise. I use Uber because it lets me get across town. I use Visual Studio because it helps me code. I use Chatgpt because it helps me with so many things. To take away any one of those because I'm a privacy absolutist seems silly to me. It has the exact same vibe of never leaving your room because you're afraid of all the cameras.

I'd like there to be a push back against these companies because I find their practices disgusting but running linux with only open source software and a fairphone is just an extreme I'm unwilling to entertain because it's just not possible in my (or most people's) world.

>>cchanc+(OP)
Honestly, I found this whole thread kind of strange. There’s nothing here beyond what most connected IDEs — or even basic office software — already collect by default.

It feels like the goal was more about grabbing attention than raising a real issue. But sure, toss “ByteDance” and “data” into a headline and suddenly it’s breaking news. I'm just tired of this kind of "Big News"- it's boring.

>>ragequ+Em2
> and don't install any apps on my phone, I rarely use google for anything

And yet you are fine with personalized telemetry from Google on your PC? This is self-contradictory.

>>fsflov+Dy4
In fairness, as others have pointed out, the phone is much more personal than the home computer. Your phone is almost always with you, collecting much more intimate data than your PC can.

>>macint+La5
This not always true, at least not for me. I trust my laptop with disabled Intel ME running Qubes OS much more than my phone.

>>fsflov+bA5
I didn't say the phone was more trusted, I said it was more personal.

Your phone almost certainly knows where you are at all times, for example. It may know whether you're walking or sitting. It knows who calls you, who you call, who you message.

The laptop may know some of that, but it doesn't have the same sensors, and doesn't stay with you most times you leave the house.

>>macint+VA5
> Your phone almost certainly knows where you are at all times, for example. It may know whether you're walking or sitting

Indeed, it's true for most people, but I use Librem 5 with hardware kill switches for modem, sensors etc.

>>fsflov+aF5
I think the thing you neglect when having setups like this is that you start to garner interest from law enforcement if they ever come across you. You're trying so hard to cover your tracks that you stand out very clearly in a crowd.

There's a middle ground between living deep in the woods without windows and walking around naked in public.

>>ragequ+uo6
It seems you are talking about Social Cooling, >>24627363 . The more people like me exist, the easier it will be for actual activists and journalists to do their work. Privacy and anonymity are crucial for democracy.