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> For some reason they killed the noob guide (which I helped maintain).

Is it up or archived anywhere?

>>johnis+(OP)
You can probably find an archive somewhere but it's utility is probably low. It did need constant maintenance. Which was fine. There were enough of us.

In fact, I even got more people to contribute. I used to say the best way to learn Linux is to install arch. To come back to me after your third failure. It's rough, but you learn a ton and accelerate really fast. Telling people to expect failure helps. They know it's not them being dumb and they won't ruin their computer. Plus, they have a safety net and I promise I will help, but the real lesson is the struggle.

>>godels+sB
Are you referring to the Installation Guide that had everything on one page? The guide now consists of many links, it is no longer on one page which is kind of annoying (still helpful, but there is more friction when using links/lynx).

I do not remember the "Noob guide" otherwise, but I do remember the old Installation Guide which was great as it had everything on one page!

>>johnis+JY
No, it was a bit different. Basically the install guide cut down with more direct suggestions for typical setups. I believe this is it[0] and I also found this reddit post from 9 years ago talking about the migration[1]. Today, that link will redirect to the standard installation guide.

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20130116090332/https://wiki.arch...

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/4z7z0i/the_begin...

>>godels+bq2
Oh, that archive is exactly what I wanted! I wish it as up to date. :(

>>johnis+Ur2
Sorry we lost the fight. I'm hoping our loss can serve as a lesson for how not to lose other fights.

But given how things are now, I'd highly recommend https://endeavouros.com/ if you're doing standard things (good with Nvidia GPUs)

>>godels+Cz2
I have not heard of it, but considering it seems easy to install, I might recommend it to others.

I will keep installing Void and Arch on my own systems, however.

Thanks for the suggestion!

BTW, according to the archive.org you sent me, Begginer's Guide indeed turned out to be the Installation Guide: https://web.archive.org/web/20200708051126/https://wiki.arch...

(I just selected a newer version from your link).

So I think it indeed was the Beginner's Guide, or even the old version of Installation Guide that I really liked, it had all the things you need to get it up and running. Now everything is in its own wiki page and it is really annoying when I just want to use links in one or two tty and do the installing from tty1.

>>johnis+Zm3
Yeah I've had less time to play around with some stuff so Endeavour is a good fit. Only had one graphics issue with my Nvidia card in 3 years. It was the bad combination of a kernel and driver update (Arch, so both beta). Not a hard fix compared to things I've faced in the past. Been spending more time learning Systemd, dracut, and btrfs (I really like btrfs btw).

There used to be two guides. They kinda merged them, so the install guide got better but the noob guide got worse. Here's the comparison...

Beginner's (relink): https://web.archive.org/web/20130116090332/https://wiki.arch...

Old Install: https://web.archive.org/web/20130116102330/https://wiki.arch...