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>>fsflov+(OP)
I've got to say, some of the comments here are pretty funny.

> "The sideloading restriction is easily solved by installing GrapheneOS"

> "Unless they block ADB, I wouldn't say it's accurate to claim they're "blocking sideloading"".

Not to pick on these folks but it's like we on HN have forgotten that ordinary people use phones too. For some of us, it's not a limitation as long as we can solder a JTAG debugger to some test pads on the PCB and flash our own firmware, but for most users that's just about as possible as replacing the OS.

>>tdeck+o9
There was some Ubuntu (or Linux) forum where I had asked a question and I wanted an app or something (I can't recall now) which was easier to use and do repeatedly. Most of the people were replying with stuff like "why can't you just do <something that involves lots of CLI and more than an hour ro so>" or on the lines of it.

I, someone extremely new to Linux (hell, new to computers), was bewildered. Then a commenter replied with something that helped me and exactly what I needed. He added a note directed towards others which went something like - the battle for Linux as THE desktop OS was sabotaged by its most ardent practitioners.

>>crossr+Qh

  > the battle for Linux as THE desktop OS was sabotaged by its most ardent practitioners.

This definitely happened with Arch. For some reason they killed the noob guide (which I helped maintain). It was a great guide that helped people go from noob to kinda knowing linux.

You can't have wizards without first having noobs.

Why gatekeep people from enjoying the same thing you enjoy?

Well, I guess all that gave us EndeavourOS and Manjaro. But still, we need more places for people to learn that nitty gritty stuff.

Hell, I'd love to learn more about the hardware hacking the OP is talking about. Love to learn about those GPU hardware modifications people do. I know it's hacker news, but I'd actually love to learn about that hacker stuff. If these companies are going to continue to fight this hard to prevent us from owning the things we buy, it sounds like an important thing to learn. Or else we're soon going to have robot butlers that are just sending lidar maps and high resolution photos of our homes back to these companies. We don't need elitest pricks, we need wizards teaching noobs

>>godels+nn
> For some reason they killed the noob guide (which I helped maintain).

Is it up or archived anywhere?

>>johnis+hB
You can probably find an archive somewhere but it's utility is probably low. It did need constant maintenance. Which was fine. There were enough of us.

In fact, I even got more people to contribute. I used to say the best way to learn Linux is to install arch. To come back to me after your third failure. It's rough, but you learn a ton and accelerate really fast. Telling people to expect failure helps. They know it's not them being dumb and they won't ruin their computer. Plus, they have a safety net and I promise I will help, but the real lesson is the struggle.

>>godels+Jc1
Are you referring to the Installation Guide that had everything on one page? The guide now consists of many links, it is no longer on one page which is kind of annoying (still helpful, but there is more friction when using links/lynx).

I do not remember the "Noob guide" otherwise, but I do remember the old Installation Guide which was great as it had everything on one page!

>>johnis+0A1
No, it was a bit different. Basically the install guide cut down with more direct suggestions for typical setups. I believe this is it[0] and I also found this reddit post from 9 years ago talking about the migration[1]. Today, that link will redirect to the standard installation guide.

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20130116090332/https://wiki.arch...

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux/comments/4z7z0i/the_begin...

>>godels+s13
Oh, that archive is exactly what I wanted! I wish it as up to date. :(

>>johnis+b33
Sorry we lost the fight. I'm hoping our loss can serve as a lesson for how not to lose other fights.

But given how things are now, I'd highly recommend https://endeavouros.com/ if you're doing standard things (good with Nvidia GPUs)

>>godels+Ta3
I have not heard of it, but considering it seems easy to install, I might recommend it to others.

I will keep installing Void and Arch on my own systems, however.

Thanks for the suggestion!

BTW, according to the archive.org you sent me, Begginer's Guide indeed turned out to be the Installation Guide: https://web.archive.org/web/20200708051126/https://wiki.arch...

(I just selected a newer version from your link).

So I think it indeed was the Beginner's Guide, or even the old version of Installation Guide that I really liked, it had all the things you need to get it up and running. Now everything is in its own wiki page and it is really annoying when I just want to use links in one or two tty and do the installing from tty1.

>>johnis+gY3
Yeah I've had less time to play around with some stuff so Endeavour is a good fit. Only had one graphics issue with my Nvidia card in 3 years. It was the bad combination of a kernel and driver update (Arch, so both beta). Not a hard fix compared to things I've faced in the past. Been spending more time learning Systemd, dracut, and btrfs (I really like btrfs btw).

There used to be two guides. They kinda merged them, so the install guide got better but the noob guide got worse. Here's the comparison...

Beginner's (relink): https://web.archive.org/web/20130116090332/https://wiki.arch...

Old Install: https://web.archive.org/web/20130116102330/https://wiki.arch...