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1. orions+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-05-19 18:57:14
Manifesting is not that wacky.

Of course, you are not going to write down that you will win the lottery and then win.

But most people are their own worst enemy and self limiting to some extent. Focusing on what you want in life, and affirming it to yourself over and over, is effectively a way to brain wash yourself to change your own self limiting behavior and it’s not surprising that this is often successful.

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2. phlips+63[view] [source] 2025-05-19 19:12:00
>>orions+(OP)
I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me!
3. tim333+l6[view] [source] 2025-05-19 19:30:52
>>orions+(OP)
Also telling other people can help as some of them may be able to help you get there.
4. ActorN+M6[view] [source] 2025-05-19 19:32:27
>>orions+(OP)
Figuring on what you actually want in life and working towards that is productive, yes.

But that's mild compared to what he says. He basically says he can influence the stock market with affirmations.

You should read the chapters. https://www.scribd.com/doc/156175634/the-dilbert-future-pdf. Starts on 218.

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5. teddyh+Ub[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 20:02:47
>>ActorN+M6
> He basically says he can influence the stock market with affirmations.

He does not say that.

> Starts on 218.

Actually it’s page 246.

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6. JoeyJo+Ze[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 20:20:05
>>ActorN+M6
Can you provide some quotes?
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7. dsizzl+7f[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 20:20:53
>>teddyh+Ub
More like he says the affirmations result in stock market premonitions. For example, he said after his "I will get rich in the stock market" manifestation he woke up in the middle of the night thinking "buy Chrysler" before it went on a rally.
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8. netsha+Qf[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 20:25:36
>>ActorN+M6
As Carl Sagan wrote in The Demon-Haunted World, millions of people probably prayed earnestly for God to save their king/queen, but kings and queens don't live beyond the average lifespans of humans...

If you want to read a book that's closer to how the universe actually works, and how your mind should operate, read it: https://archive.org/details/B-001-001-709

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9. ActorN+4i[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 20:37:41
>>teddyh+Ub
He does. He basically argues that our thoughts can influence reality - the idea is that if we perceive something happening as truth, it will become truth (along with all the bullshit pseudo science to support it)
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10. teddyh+Wi[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 20:41:58
>>ActorN+4i
> He does.

He does not. I can’t prove a negative, but you, being the one making an assertion, could provide a quote (with context) which shows your assertion correct. Please do so.

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11. Xenoph+Zi[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 20:42:18
>>dsizzl+7f
I mean if the affirmations make your brain, both conscious and unconscious, fixate on thinking about market conditions and purchasing opportunities, this passes my smell test.

A premonition is a fancy name for an unconscious prediction.

Now does are the predictions "good", that is a completely different story. Probably depends on the information going in.

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12. teddyh+wj[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 20:44:48
>>dsizzl+7f
> he says the affirmations result in stock market premonitions

Not even that. He says that affirmations resulted in him having a premonition. He does not generalize or predict that this will happen for other people, or even himself in the future.

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13. ofalka+Uk[view] [source] 2025-05-19 20:53:09
>>orions+(OP)
If you actually did it it would not be a simple affirmation for long, your mind will quickly start to wander as the act of writing the same thing over and over becomes more automatic and what your mind will wander towards is what you are writing and staring at. The brainwashing that is happening is that of brainwashing you to set aside a part of your day for sustained focused thought on your goals, something most people seem to have never learned, they learned to ask their guidance concealer and google and internet forums but never themselves.
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14. codr7+ym[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 21:04:07
>>ofalka+Uk
Depends on how well trained your mind is.

Some minds only think when asked to.

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15. bell-c+fo[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 21:16:23
>>netsha+Qf
> ... millions of people probably prayed earnestly for God to save ...

Plausibly quite true. But given (1) how often the succession turned violent after a monarch died, and (2) how very little power the average person had - I'd say such prayers were entirely reasonable. If they made "life in the lower 99%" just 1% more bearable, that'd be a worthwhile RoI.

Demon-Haunted World is a book worth reading...but Carl often seems to forget that 99% of humans are neither huge science geeks (as he is), nor rationalist robots.

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16. roboca+xo[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 21:18:14
>>Xenoph+Zi
> A premonition is a fancy name for an unconscious prediction

The problem with woo is you can always add more woo (bonus points if it has sciencey glitter). Goes from woowoo to woowoowoo.

Woo has no logical consistency and has nothing predictably predictive.

Ask manifestation believers why they are not successful or rich or whatever? You'll hear some fabulous reasons.

My neighbour paid money (I presume thousands) to do courses on learning how to unblock herself. The stated reason for the failure to manifest was due to blocks. Her explanation of the material was outrageous. I have yet to see the positive effect on her.

I don't manifest, yet I've got things others would like to manifest. Not sure there that fits in with the woo.

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17. Lerc+Co[view] [source] 2025-05-19 21:18:38
>>orions+(OP)
It has a degree of benefit in helping you identify focus, but much of the purported benefits come from having the skills required to obtain your goals being quite correlated with the ability to do a chosen task every single day.

A lot of time has past since I read Scott Adams view on manifesting. I got a decent way through before I realised it wasn't satire. It did seem clear to me that he was advocating a form of manifesting that went beyond either of those principles. That benefits came from manifesting in ways that no-other influence from yourself would be possible. That's essentially declaring it to be magic. Psychology I can believe, if you want me to believe in magic you're going to need a bit more.

From the point of view of an ADHD person, it doesn't surprise me at all that someone who had the ability to do a dumb task like manifesting would also have the ability to do meaningful things that that I find nearly impossible.

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18. pauldd+ep[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 21:21:45
>>ActorN+M6
Page 246

And yes, that is basically what he says.

With infinite possible universes, you can guide which universe becomes your reality through affirmations.

Wacky perhaps, but the philosophies of consciousness and quantum mechanics are kinda wacky too...

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On a relevant point, he talks about curing cancer.

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19. cladop+nq[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 21:28:05
>>netsha+Qf
To be fair, that is not a very valid argument, given that for any given King/Queen, they will be millions on the other side wanting this given person to die.

E.g when the Spanish Empire ruled the world, the British were not very happy about that. With the British Empire, the French and the Germans fought them with every opportunity.

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20. aaronb+Uq[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 21:31:21
>>roboca+xo
I knew a bunch of people who were really into the "Law of Attraction" woowoo manifestation stuff back in the mid-2000s. That was a good time for it, especially for suburban middle-class American folks like these, for whom life was generally pretty great. When your life is going great, believing that you manifested it just shows how awesome you are and how much the Universe likes you.

But after some time goes by and you get pinched in the mortgage crash, or your wife hits you with a divorce, or you get cancer, if you really believe you manifest everything into your life, then you have to believe you manifested the bad stuff too. So why did you do that to yourself? It's a rough belief system then.

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21. limber+Xq[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 21:31:41
>>teddyh+Wi
> If it's possible to control your environment through your thoughts or steer your perceptions (or soul if you prefer) through other universes, I'll bet the secret to doing that is a process called "affirmations."

> Even more interesting was the suggestion that this technique would influence your environment directly and not just make you more focused on your goal.

> I don't know if there is one universe or many. If there are many, I don't know for certain that you can choose your path. And if you can choose your path, I don't know that affirmations are necessarily the way to do it. But I do know this: When I act as though affirmations can steer me, I consistently get good results.

I'm not the person you replied to, but I would say that "He basically argues that our thoughts can influence reality" is a fair description of these quotes and the rest of the chapter around it. Some of it is him referencing what other people told him, and he certainly hedges his statements a lot, but I certainly read it as him believing that his affirmations are directly influencing reality.

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22. ActorN+dr[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 21:34:00
>>teddyh+Wi
If you were to actually read the chapters, its pretty clearly stated there.

He said he wanted to get rich on the stock market. Wrote an affirmation. Had a dream to by Chrysler stock. Bought stock, stock went up. By his conclusion, he manifested stock going up (because of how thoughts and perception can influence reality and e.t.c)

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23. neom+gr[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 21:34:15
>>roboca+xo
To my mind, manifesting is just deciding, manifesting daily is focusing daily. I think the woo starts to come in when people either deliberately misconstrue or genuinely are not very intelligent and just followed a plan well. A couple comments above was talking about someone who woke up in the night and bought Chrysler, made me chuckle because I once woke up in the night remembering I'd forgotten to buy more $TWLO. I could tell this story as: I wanted to get rich playing the stock market, so I decided to write down I was going to do the stock market, every day I wrote down and research the stock market "manifesting" it more and more, once day I wrote into my manifest pad "I'm going to win the stock market!" for the 50th day in a row. That night I went to bed, and in the middle of the night I woke up and thought "I should buy more $TWLO!" - the next day I did, and a week later it rallied netting me $360,000.

Truly a master of manifesting my own reality, I suppose? heh. But seriously though, in think in the vain of the above, if "manifestation" is what someone needs to do as their trello or jira for themselves, more power to them.

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24. jakeyd+2s[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 21:40:12
>>cladop+nq
That's true, for every prayer I say for my monarch I include a note asking for my enemy's monarch to die!
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25. saalwe+zu[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 21:58:10
>>dsizzl+7f
Are you sure he didn't write "I totally didn't inside trade on the basis of information leaked by an employee who thought he was just telling me a funny anecdote to use in my comic, I totally just manifested a premonition in a dream."?
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26. teddyh+Ov[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 22:05:27
>>ActorN+dr
> By his conclusion, he manifested stock going up

He does not say that.

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27. b112+Xv[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 22:05:58
>>jakeyd+2s
I can see this being true, but so many monarchs were related, it's kind of weird.
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28. aether+Yx[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 22:18:40
>>netsha+Qf
Just think how young they would've died otherwise. ;)
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29. myname+Qz[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 22:32:28
>>teddyh+Wi
Here is what he puts forth:

> If it's possible to control your environment through your thoughts or steer your perceptions (or soul if you prefer) through other universes, I'll bet the secret to doing that is a process called "affirmations."

> I first heard of this technique from a friend who had read a book on the topic. I don't recall the name of the book, so I apologize to the author for not mentioning it. My information came to me secondhand. I only mention it here because it formed my personal experience.

> The process as it was described to me involved visualizing what you want and writing it down fifteen times in a row, once a day, until you obtain the thing you visualized.

> The suggested form would be something like this:

> "I, Scott Adams, will win a Pulitzer Prize."

> The thing that caught my attention is that the process doesn't require any faith or positive thinking to work. Even more interesting was the suggestion that this technique would influence your environment directly and not just make you more focused on your goal. It was alleged that you would experience what seemed to be amazing coincidences when using the technique. These coincidences would be things seemingly beyond your control and totally independent of your efforts (at least from a visual view of reality).

He then goes on to discuss stock, him taking the GMAT, etc. He later continues:

> I used the affirmations again many times, each time with unlikely success. So much so that by 1988, when I decided I wanted to become a famous syndicated cartoonist, it actually felt like a modest goal.

Then he talks about syndicating Dilbert.

He doesn't say, "I can influence the stock market with affirmations," but if you read what he wrote, he is very clearly arguing that you can change reality with your thoughts.

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30. NoMore+nF[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-19 23:17:06
>>netsha+Qf
>As Carl Sagan wrote in The Demon-Haunted World, millions of people probably prayed earnestly for God to save their king/queen

Knowing how most kings and queens have behaved throughout history, I think Sagan suffered from a faulty premise. The queen everyone loved best made it to 96.

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31. Walter+X11[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-20 03:10:18
>>ActorN+4i
It sounds to me a lot like the power of positive thinking.

Let's say you're not a confident person. If you tell yourself that you are a confident person, and try to act like a confident person would, you will likely become a confident person.

You changed your reality.

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32. Walter+f21[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-20 03:13:35
>>ActorN+dr
I have long believed I control the stock market.

When I buy X, it is guaranteed that X will tank the next day. It usually takes about 2 months for the market to forget that I bought X, and X will return to normal.

When I sell X, it is guaranteed that I sold for the lowest price that day, and X will rise dramatically for the next 2 months.

This problem is why I rarely trade. I'll hold a stock for decades.

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33. dragon+fe1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-20 05:48:06
>>NoMore+nF
IIRC, European elites (nobility and royalty both, and royals more than lesser nobles) until something like the 17th-18th century overall lived shorter lives than the general population, largely because they spent more of their lives in cities, which were extremely unhealthy until fairly recently; more recently, though, British royalty has, for example, been living much longer [1] than the British population at large.

[1] https://theconversation.com/long-live-the-monarchy-british-r...

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34. thauma+Dk1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-20 06:57:36
>>netsha+Qf
> millions of people probably prayed earnestly for God to save their king/queen, but kings and queens don't live beyond the average lifespans of humans

Have you seen the Sumerian King List?

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35. lupusr+dG1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-20 10:27:07
>>cladop+nq
I don't believe it, but it could also be the case that the God is wiser than everybody praying for their monarch to have an unnaturally long life, and knows that monarchs dying in a regular sort of way is best for the kingdom.

I'm an atheist, but many of the arguments put forth by atheists seem very lame to me.

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36. lupusr+IG1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-20 10:33:20
>>saalwe+zu
Email from an employee is also a plausible mechanism for how that idea might have come to him in a dream. Information not fully processed and turned over when awake can turn into clear ideas in dreams. By committing himself to get rich in the stock market when awake, he primes himself to think about related information when he sleeps. It could be that he never even consciously connected the two and believed it to be a premonition.

Or it could be as you say. No way for us to know.

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37. sander+6P1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-20 11:48:04
>>teddyh+wj
This seems very pedantic. The original comment's criticism remains valid with this description of what he says.
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38. netsha+tQ2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-20 18:22:45
>>lupusr+dG1
Aha.. because of course "God probably ignores prayers and does what She wants, but pray anyway" is a coherent message.
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39. lupusr+E53[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-20 20:01:26
>>netsha+tQ2
That is what people seem to believe, coherent or not. I think you will find few Christians who believe their god is just some sort of mechanism to be commanded as they please.

If you want to persuade them to believe otherwise, then you have to come up with arguments which are actually persuasive from their perspective. This is a problem I see with a lot of smug atheist literature. It's also a problem I see with all the arguments from Christians about why I shouldn't be an atheist. I guess I seem approachable to them, I get a lot of well meant but totally fruitless conversion attempts. They are arguments which doubtlessly seem very sound to them, one who already believes, but totally fall flat to me, somebody who doesn't. Like telling me how many different people claimed to witness Jesus resurrection... that seems like compelling evidence if you already believe that the bible is reliable. Christians tell each other these arguments at Church, find it very convincing because they are already convinced and find it hard to imagine the frame of mind of somebody who doesn't believe, then with great earnestness present these arguments to nonbelievers and are puzzled when it doesn't work.

Well that's exactly what's going to happen when you confront most Christians with "Your god isn't real because he doesn't do as you command him to with your prayers." Prayer failing any empirical test of efficacy is convincing evidence to people who already don't believe but totally falls flat with people who do.

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40. tome+rb3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-20 20:40:13
>>myname+Qz
> He doesn't say, "I can influence the stock market with affirmations," but if you read what he wrote, he is very clearly arguing that you can change reality with your thoughts.

Earlier today I was reading your comment on mobile and thinking about the reply I would make. Now I am on a desktop making that reply. I'm pretty sure, therefore, that I can change reality with my thoughts, at least to some degree.

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41. teddyh+I15[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-21 15:49:52
>>sander+6P1
The original comment said “influence” the stock market. Having a premonition is the opposite of influencing.
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42. dumded+zpb[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-05-23 22:52:53
>>Walter+X11
Riiight
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