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> At the same time, Microsoft will likely replicate Windsurf and Cursor's features within a year. And deliver them with far greater stability and polish.

I agree with the first part, I'm much less optimistic about the second part. I suspect they will create something that is worse, but cheaper if you already pay for Github/Office 365/whatever. Then many large enterprises will switch to save money whilst the engineers complain, just like with Teams.

>>doix+(OP)
If the VS Code team are delivering the product, I have some amount of trust. If it’s the VS team, good luck to everyone involved

>>precio+n
Indeed, Copilot within Visual Studio is nowhere close as good as Copilot within VSCode, and even that is still worse than Cursor in my experience.

>>doix+(OP)
They already succeedd well enough that VSCode is the only Electron app I tolerate on my private systems, naturally on device assigned ones I have less control.

>>precio+n
VSCode is still miles behind for .NET and C++ tooling, have a bit of fate on VS team.

>>doix+(OP)
That seems pretty bold. I still find myself switching to basically anything but the VS code copilot agent any chance I get.

>>precio+n
I use vscode for personal javascript projects but the time I spent on a .NET team using VS was an incredible downgrade compared to years and years of intellij. I ended up leaving because tech debt/bugs kept causing weekly overnight on call incidents that we were never given time to fix, but when they asked who wanted a Rider license I got myself on the list immediately.

>>pjmlp+Pa
What’s the use of being miles ahead if you’re traveling in the wrong direction?

>>precio+n
VS developers are okay, it is the VS product managers that are The problem

>>doix+(OP)
I mean they already have. GitHub Copilot was the first LLM coding tool before "LLM" was in the lexicon. MS/Github kind of squandered their lead with it, but they released Agent Mode a few months back https://github.blog/news-insights/product-news/github-copilo...

>>precio+rP
Doesn't look like, given Windows market share.

>>Aeolun+Jd
Can you expand on that? What's so bad about VSC's copilot agent? What do you switch to?

>>precio+rP
Tell us you're not developing for microcontrollers without telling us you're not developing for microcontrollers.

>>pjmlp+YY
Not just Windows. I find .net a better choice for backend/microservices than Java, for example