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1. throwa+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-04-08 16:17:22
It's not a mystery. The US and EU have year on year been decreasing emissions for fifteen ish years now (yes, including during trump I, even if you account for the COVID drop).
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2. lm2846+j1[view] [source] 2025-04-08 16:24:10
>>throwa+(OP)
That's a cool story you can tell your kids before bed but the reality is that when you include imports the US/EU emissions are stagnating or going up. It's easy not to pollute when you import most of your things from abroad.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/imported-or-exported-co-e...

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3. ZeroGr+H3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-08 16:36:38
>>lm2846+j1
That graph measures whether they are importing or not.

So it's not the emissions that are stagnant, it's the per capita imports of emissions which are roughly flat.

They have a separate graph which reflects "consumption" based emissions:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capit...

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4. zahlma+Zq[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-08 18:38:13
>>ZeroGr+H3
By "imports of emissions" here, are we referring to the emissions involved in the creation of the imported goods? Or just what exactly?
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5. throwa+4w[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-08 19:09:48
>>zahlma+Zq
It's an estimate, but AIUI yes.
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6. throwa+qw[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-04-08 19:12:00
>>lm2846+j1
Those data are moment in time. See one of the child posts for what you're talking about -- and in terms of trade corrected emissions the US and Europe turned the corner even earlier.
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