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1. gigate+(OP)[view] [source] 2025-01-21 09:49:47
What’s especially offputting is the media not covering Elon’s Nazi salute
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2. DoingI+w[view] [source] 2025-01-21 09:53:23
>>gigate+(OP)
> salute

Salutes. He did it more than once in that speech.

In full, hand to chest and all.

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3. baq+y[view] [source] 2025-01-21 09:53:41
>>gigate+(OP)
From the man routinely saying the media lie to you on his own media platform.

At least that’s where I’ve seen the video of him doing it, so perhaps he isn’t wrong about that particular thing?

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4. lukan+M[view] [source] 2025-01-21 09:55:33
>>gigate+(OP)
Erm, google "elon nazi salut" did gave me a lot of mainstream media results.

But possible, that they do not make headlines out of it.

5. rofo1+r1[view] [source] 2025-01-21 10:00:01
>>gigate+(OP)
Do you really believe this? Sincerely and honestly?

You believe Elon Musk is somehow showing support for the National-Socialist party of the German working class?

How is it possible to get to this level? Truly amazing.

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6. comput+Z1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 10:04:36
>>rofo1+r1
> You believe Elon Musk is somehow showing support for the National-Socialist party of the German working class?

No, which is why nobody but people who want to downplay say this stuff. This is the second comment of this kind I saw.

He's doing the Hitler salute, with a snarl, once to the crowd and once to Trump. He has no clue who Hitler is or what he did, just like he has no clue what RPC are, or what item level requirements in Path of Exile 2 mean, but that doesn't change what we see with our own eyes.

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7. angrya+32[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 10:05:51
>>rofo1+r1
Between this and people convicted for sedition being pardoned I'm curious. How much copium do you use to remain in denial?
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8. comput+h2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 10:07:29
>>baq+y
Even the German Bundeswehr withdrew from Twitter because of Musk's endorsement of the far-right extremist AfD. The people who need to be made aware of this aren't the people who are remaining on there (which are people who either already are critical of Musk but are stubborn or can't leave for other reasons, and Musk fans).
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9. rofo1+P2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 10:11:33
>>comput+Z1
What is there to downplay? This is why engagement hunters on Twitter/X.com made a side by side comparison of "Democrats doing Nazi salute" over the years, and there are like 10 pictures there doing the same exact thing. It would be as bizarre to say those people were supporting NAZI Germany, too.
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10. comput+I3[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 10:20:31
>>rofo1+P2
> It would be as bizarre to say those people were supporting NAZI Germany, too.

The person you replied to said "nazi salute". In context, it's clear the gesture is meant. Everything else comes solely from you.

And far-right groups everywhere are totally celebrating it by the way, you're aware of that, right? In a way they never did and wouldn't celebrate some random "gotcha" photo of a Democrat that has nothing to do with them. So you're just underlining the point.

11. ndsipa+y4[view] [source] 2025-01-21 10:25:56
>>gigate+(OP)
I saw the BBC's article "Elon Musk's gesture at Trump rally draws scrutiny" - way to downplay a Nazi salute, BBC.

Musk has been promoting extreme right-wing opinions, conspiracies and outright lies for quite a while now and he's obviously seeing the Trump presidency as a key success in his plot for world domination, so he no longer needs to hide his fascism/racism etc.

Why other organisations are seeking to downplay actual Nazi salutes must be because they are scared of the power imbalance and seek to appease (hint: that never works).

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12. ndsipa+Y4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 10:30:29
>>rofo1+r1
> You believe Elon Musk is somehow showing support for the National-Socialist party of the German working class?

That's a bizarre comparison. Are you deliberately trying to build a straw-man and associate a known extreme right-wing, Nazi salute with socialism? You do realise that the Nazi party were not at all socialist - they called themselves that to trick and lie to the Germans.

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13. rofo1+76[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 10:38:57
>>ndsipa+Y4
I am not building anything. Perhaps you need to study history and see what happened. There is no distinction of evil between the communists in USSR and NAZI Germany. They were both clear evil. I thank God they are both history now and we should not forget it, ever.
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14. addand+2a[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 11:08:13
>>ndsipa+y4
German media is doing the same, posing it as a question or posing it as "looks like" and it's baffling. Then there's also the Anti-Defamation League coming forward protecting Musk and saying it wasn't a nazi salut. I don't even know how anyone, much less an organization meant to protect jewish interests, can come to that conclusion.
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15. ndsipa+of[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 11:52:33
>>addand+2a
I saw about the ADL's stance and just find it unbelievable. Are they just more interested in siding with Israel despite the atrocities?

I don't see how Musk's two Nazi salutes can be defended when he deliberately did it twice and has a history of supporting extreme right-wing views.

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16. mandma+pf[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 11:52:33
>>addand+2a
> I don't even know how anyone, much less an organization meant to protect jewish interests, can come to that conclusion.

Once you start differentiating between Zionist interests and Jewish interests, the last 80 years (and especially the last 15 months) makes a lot more sense.

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17. ndsipa+og[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 11:59:51
>>rofo1+76
What? One moment, you're defending Musk's Nazi salute and the next you're stating that "we should not forget"?

Not forgetting implies that we must NEVER tolerate Nazi sympathisers and Nazi ideology. Musk has been promoting Nazi/extreme right-wing ideologies for quite a while now and his latest stunt is to perform a Nazi salute which insults the memories of everyone that fought against the Nazis in WWII.

What specific part of history are you alluding to? I'm reasonably knowledgable but not an expert in European history and I certainly found it very frightening when I visited the Holocaust Museum in Berlin and saw that the exact same methods were being employed by the Republicans/Trump.

Can you be more specific as it seems that you're just trying to obfuscate.

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18. gigate+jP[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 15:44:51
>>rofo1+r1
He might not be pro gas chamber but he knows exactly what he’s doing. Continuing to give him the benefit-of-the-doubt is willful ignorance.
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19. etblg+xS[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 15:58:18
>>rofo1+r1
Yes.
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20. mostly+O01[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 16:36:49
>>ndsipa+og
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” ― Jean-Paul Sartre
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21. gigate+c61[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 16:58:52
>>DoingI+w
Nearly half a trillion dollars of net worth must make him feel untouchable. The SEC can’t touch him when he says “funding secured” (it wasn’t). Nor can they do anything to him when he secretly bought Twitter shares.

Because he’s so engrained with the government he’s untouchable. SpaceX is doing stuff NASA only dreams of. Nobody built out starlink to the volume that he did and so now he can play king maker in war zones like Ukraine.

He’s got huge conflicts of interest with China.

The man is basically an asset of foreign governments and is here sweing the seeds of hate on his mega platform.

It used to be nobody was above the law but then billionaires became too powerful. How often do I think about Rome? A shit ton more now except I think more about the fall of Rome than the golden era.

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22. _DeadF+G71[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 17:04:06
>>rofo1+r1
Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. Jean-Paul Sartre
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23. _DeadF+791[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 17:11:07
>>rofo1+P2
10 out of context pictures are not the exact same as video of someone doing a full on Nazi salute in 100% form from start to end, twice. Show me a video of a Dem doing that...
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24. mongol+Yu1[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-21 18:59:36
>>gigate+c61
Regarding Rome. I am thinking the same and what comes to my mind is Caesar. Trump crossed the Rubicon on January 6 and prevailed. Now history will tell how far this analogy will hold but what makes me think of it as fitting is that it marked the end of the Republic and from then on Rome was ruled by emperors and family clans.
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25. Animal+Yk2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-22 00:32:48
>>mongol+Yu1
That doesn't quite work. Trump lost on January 6th - the vote went against him.

I think the Rubicon was more this election. Caesar was in a position where, if he didn't bring his army to Rome, his political enemies were going to destroy him. Trump was in a position where, if he didn't win the election, his political enemies (and the legal cases arising from his various unusual activities) were going to destroy him.

But I wonder if that's really where we are. I wonder if we're not more at the time of Marius and Sulla, and the real Caesar is still 40 years away.

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26. SamBam+6t2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-22 01:34:33
>>ndsipa+of
ADL has been much more about pro-Israel than they have been about anti-antisemitism.

They know which way Israel's bread is buttered. Trump just removed all sanctions for the settlers, and allowed the sale of significantly bigger bombs to Israel on his first day.

Israel has a huge amount to gain from a Trump administration. ADL isn't going to blow that opportunity by calling out Elon's Nazi salute.

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27. SamBam+5v2[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-22 01:47:32
>>rofo1+r1
For starters, the Sieg Heil salute that Elon did was exactly the same as Hitler did it [1] and modern-day white nationalists do it [2].

Secondly, anyone who refers to Nazism as the "the National-Socialist party of the German working class" is clearly attempting to make an utterly specious claim that Nazism is really about Socialism and not about Fascism.

1. https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/1i6par1/elon_musk_vs_...

2. https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/1i6v521/for_those_not...

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28. mongol+5Y4[view] [source] [discussion] 2025-01-22 20:43:26
>>Animal+Yk2
I see it as Nov 6 was when he crossed a border without return. He showed his cards. He lost that day, but he wins now, so prevailed in the end.
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