They have a whole media ecosystem, the actual main stream media, giving them training and talking points to subvert these conversations and successfully move away from facts.
They only follow the style of debate, not its substance.
Limiting your self to the substance only weighs you down against an attacker of this nature.
Engage, but just waste their cycles.
Eventually there is always a missing definition, something extremely basic that’s being alluded to. Or a contradiction that shows up.
Point that out and you will get the “go google it yourself”, retreat flag show up.