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Is pregnancy an illness, mental or otherwise? Should insurance or the state not cover the medical costs of pregnancy?

What are your credentials, anyway? Why do you think you know more than decades of in depth research and millennia of anthropological evidence?

>>sunsho+(OP)
Why bring logic to an emotion fight.

They have a whole media ecosystem, the actual main stream media, giving them training and talking points to subvert these conversations and successfully move away from facts.

They only follow the style of debate, not its substance.

Limiting your self to the substance only weighs you down against an attacker of this nature.

Engage, but just waste their cycles.

Eventually there is always a missing definition, something extremely basic that’s being alluded to. Or a contradiction that shows up.

Point that out and you will get the “go google it yourself”, retreat flag show up.

>>sunsho+(OP)
> Should insurance or the state not cover the medical costs of pregnancy?

Do you think pro-natalist policies (anything that can be seen as incentivizing the act of having more children) need to come from a desire to see more equality, or human dignity?

In fact some of the most evil people of the 1900s thought it was good to support the medical costs of pregnancy, and even thought you should /pay families if they had more children to incentivize having more/ (see pro natalist politics in Western Europe in 30s, 40s, 50s. The ones in my country, France, actually had their strongest push in 1939, and are a large part of the reason why France's baby boom was one of the strongest in Europe later on).

You will find out that people who usually hate social programs will have different opinions about anything related to demographics, and it's not complicated to understand why (whether their motives come from racism, or selfishness ie a desire to preserve the GDP and make sure the country won't be an empty hell hole of old people dying in the hospice when they retire).

>>playa0+cC
Do you at least acknowledge that some people hold that position for not-evil reasons. That seemed like the missing razor in your final couple sentences.

>>sunsho+(OP)
pregnancy is certainly a condition, though to call it an illness wouldnt be appropriate. Additional care should be provided to pregnant mothers from any human organization of any variety that hopes to continue existing.

He doesnt need credentials. No one needs credentials to be correct, their statements should be evaluated on their merits alone. Credentialism is a choking ideology, leading to higher prices and possibly higher quality in many things.

>>dani__+bA1
Gender dysphoria is also a condition, not an illness.

Having studied or lived through something makes you far more likely to be correct than simply thinking about it with your giant brain. You don't need them to be correct, but they really help.

>>sunsho+WN1
Perhaps a more apt diagnosis for most patients would be autogynophilia though.