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1. slibhb+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-12-13 02:54:11
This attitude is so common. It's obviously wrong. Humanity is richer and freer than ever. Here's a theory of why people spend so much time railing against modernity, capitalism, and "the corporate class":

Humans used to have to labor all to avoid starvation. There were few choices and most of us we died in the town where we were born. Compare to today -- now, we have incredible freedom, cheap and delicious food, cheap ubiquitous entertainment, are more or less immune to the elements, and have tons of free time. But all of this freedom and plenty has forced us to make choices, and it turns out people aren't good at making choices. We struggle to not gorge ourselves on food or waste years of our lives on insipid entertainment. We would like to exercise, eat right, read books, learn things, contribute meaningfully to our areas of interest -- but most of us don't. Worse, we have no excuse for our choices because we are almost completely free.

This dynamic leads to a situation where people hate modernity. Partly because making choices is hard and partly because our freedom makes it clear that our bad choices are our own fault. And so people long for a return to un-freedom. Many of us would rather be poor and starving than to have to make choices and face our own inadequacies.

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2. Teever+U4[view] [source] 2024-12-13 04:19:33
>>slibhb+(OP)
No, people hate modern society because they understand that although things are better than they were they aren't nearly as good as they could be if it wasn't for rampant and unchecked corruption.

What's worse is that people know that whole ecosystems and stable climate patterns are slipping away and will likely never come back.

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3. Jambal+8j[view] [source] 2024-12-13 08:03:04
>>slibhb+(OP)
Do you think cost of living today is lower than it was 10, 20, 30 years ago? Do you think the average person today works more or less than before?

Because I’m really curious what you mean when you say we’re more free than ever. Free time especially is what eludes most people of my peer group; endless tv shows to stream is meaningless without free time for example.

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4. ben_w+Al[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 08:35:55
>>Jambal+8j
Globally? Sure, assuming cost of living is measured against a fixed quality standard.

Specific countries may be failing to improve, but if you're from the USA remember that your country is 4.25% of the world, and very few of you were ever in abject poverty in the beginning of that timeframe.

Global abject poverty as a standard is roughly "sleeping rough" in western terms (more precisely, it's 2.15 US dollars of purchasing power per day), and the number of people worldwide at that level has gone from 1930 million in 1994 to 1510 million in 2004 to 806 million in 2014 to 693 million today.

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5. yorwba+dm[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 08:44:49
>>Jambal+8j
It is easier for the average person today to achieve the standard of living of the average person 10, 20, 30 years ago, and it would've been impossible for the average person 10, 20, 30 years ago to achieve the standard of living of the average person today due to things that are cheap now not even having been invented then.

But expenses expand to fill the available budget, so the actual cost of living is higher, as people earn more to spend more to get more.

(If you wish you had more free time but don't negotiate a pay cut in return for shorter work hours, it just means you value the money more than your time.)

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6. circle+Yu[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 10:43:45
>>Teever+U4
> people hate modern society because they understand that although things are better than they were they aren't nearly as good as they could be

How do you know how good things "could be"? Just because you can imagine something doesn't mean it's possible

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7. Zephyr+iE[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 13:01:22
>>Jambal+8j
Cost of living/spending power is not the same as quality of life. Mobile phones alone are an insane improvement in QoL.
8. Zephyr+IE[view] [source] 2024-12-13 13:05:32
>>slibhb+(OP)
We've also destroyed a lot of social norms that used to help people make good decisions.

Continuously making good choices is really difficult, especially when we have so many incredibly alluring distractions. Having some guard rails is a good thing for almost everyone.

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9. Teever+Nf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 17:20:55
>>circle+Yu
That's just another way of saying that the way things are is optimal, and that we as a society have reached perfection, that we're doing our best.

That is blatantly wrong. Better is always possible and the people who steal and cheat the system are the ones who deny that better world for us all.

The Hitlers, the Putins, the Kochs and Epsteins and Madoffs of the world have made the world far worse than it needs to be for the absolutely worst personal reasons.

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10. vouaob+yH1[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-13 20:35:40
>>circle+Yu
> How do you know how good things "could be"? Just because you can imagine something doesn't mean it's possible

It's not necessary to know how good things could be. Part of the meaning of life is to work towards a good you think could be, and the modern oligarchy strips us of that right.

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11. Jambal+g53[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-14 14:44:36
>>yorwba+dm
I don’t think it is easier for the average person today to achieve the standard of living of the average person 10, 20, 30 years ago.

Housing is the biggest culprit. It has gone up something like 5x in the last 20 years, while salaries have increased maybe 20%.

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12. yorwba+Nd3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-12-14 16:23:39
>>Jambal+g53
Sure, the value of housing has gone up a lot since 2004 (about 2.5×) https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/BOGZ1FL155035013Q

What people actually pay for it, though, in terms of mortgage payments as a share of income, is at basically the same level (6%) https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/MDSP

As long as people buy houses on credit, high house prices only reflect that mortgages are cheap.

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