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Un Ministral, Des Ministraux

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14. cmehdy+Wi[view] [source] 2024-10-16 15:58:04
>>veggie+(OP)
For anybody wondering about the title, that's a sort-of pun in French about how words get pluralized following French rules.

The quintessential example is "cheval" (horse) which becomes "chevaux" (horses), which is the rule they're following (or being cute about). Un mistral, des mistraux. Un ministral, des ministraux.

(Ironically the plural of the Mistral wind in the Larousse dictionnary would technically be Mistrals[1][2], however weird that sounds to my french ears and to the people who wrote that article perhaps!)

[1] https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/mistral_mistr... [2] https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/mistral

23. ed+qn[view] [source] 2024-10-16 16:19:31
>>veggie+(OP)
3b is is API-only so you won’t be able to run it on-device, which is the killer app for these smaller edge models.

I’m not opposed to licensing but “email us for a license” is a bad sign for indie developers, in my experience.

8b weights are here https://huggingface.co/mistralai/Ministral-8B-Instruct-2410

Commercial entities aren’t permitted to use or distribute 8b weights - from the agreement (which states research purposes only):

"Research Purposes": means any use of a Mistral Model, Derivative, or Output that is solely for (a) personal, scientific or academic research, and (b) for non-profit and non-commercial purposes, and not directly or indirectly connected to any commercial activities or business operations. For illustration purposes, Research Purposes does not include (1) any usage of the Mistral Model, Derivative or Output by individuals or contractors employed in or engaged by companies in the context of (a) their daily tasks, or (b) any activity (including but not limited to any testing or proof-of-concept) that is intended to generate revenue, nor (2) any Distribution by a commercial entity of the Mistral Model, Derivative or Output whether in return for payment or free of charge, in any medium or form, including but not limited to through a hosted or managed service (e.g. SaaS, cloud instances, etc.), or behind a software layer.

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43. idoubt+Sx[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-10-16 17:29:41
>>rich_s+zq
The "Vallée blanche" you mentioned is not very far from "Val d'Arly" or "Val Thorens" in the Alps. Both words "val" and "vallée", and also "vallon", come from the Latin "vallis". See the Littré dictionary https://www.littre.org/definition/val for examples over the last millennium.

By the way "Le dormeur du val" (The sleeper of the small valley) is one of Rimbaud's most famous poems, often learned at school.

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45. cwizou+Ny[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-10-16 17:35:32
>>maw+et
No, like parent says, with many things in French, grammar and what we call "orthographe" is based on usage. And what's accepted tends to change over time. What's taught in school varies over the years too, with a large tendency to move to simplification. A good example is the french word for "key" which used to be written "clef" but over time moved to "clé" (closer to how it sounds phonetically). About every 20/30 years, we get some "réformes" on the topic, which are more or less followed, there's some good information here (the 1990 one is interesting on its own) : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reforms_of_French_orthography

Back to this precise one, there's no precise rule or pattern underneath, no rhyme or reason, it's just exceptions based on usage and even those can have their own exceptions. Like "idéals/idéaux", I (french) personally never even heard that "idéals" was a thing. Yet it is, somehow : https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/idéal/41391

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56. Spone+nO[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-10-16 19:01:36
>>ucario+1v
The song actually refers to a kind of candy named "Mistral gagnant"

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_gagnant_(confiserie)

62. tarrud+UX[view] [source] 2024-10-16 19:58:29
>>veggie+(OP)
They didn't add a comparison to Qwen 2.5 3b, which seems to surpass Ministral 3b MMLU, HumanEval, GSM8K: https://qwen2.org/qwen2-5/#qwen25-05b15b3b-performance

These benchmarks don't really matter that much, but it is funny how this blog post conveniently forgot to compare with a model that already exists and performs better.

92. mergis+ph2[view] [source] 2024-10-17 10:36:23
>>veggie+(OP)
Just started experimenting with Ministral 8B! It even passed the "strawberry test"! https://x.com/mustafaergisi/status/1846861559059902777
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94. dustyp+qv2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-10-17 12:40:31
>>rich_s+zq
Le terme vallée, utilisé comme toponyme, doit être distingué du terme val qui est souvent employé pour désigner et nommer une région limitée dans divers pays d'Europe et dans leurs langues.

-- https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vall%C3%A9e I agree. it's weird. I'm sure there are other similar examples

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96. kergon+RW2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-10-17 15:51:23
>>realo+jG
I think you got it backwards ;)

In any case, this is (officially) obsolete now.

https://fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuisseau

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97. kergon+sX2[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-10-17 15:55:17
>>ucario+1v
This is probably heavily population-dependent. I don’t think they named the Mistral-class ships after the song or the sweet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral-class_landing_helico...

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