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1. rolph+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-08-10 17:48:01
actual title "New U.N. Cybercrime Treaty Could Threaten Human Rights"

[In the coming weeks, the treaty will head to a vote among the General Assembly’s 193 member states. If it’s accepted by a majority there, the treaty will move to the ratification process, in which individual country governments must sign on.]

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2. dylan6+0d[view] [source] 2024-08-10 20:13:44
>>rolph+(OP)
> in which individual country governments must sign on

meaning what? toothless is still toothless even using words like must. what happens if majority individuals do not? last I checked, the US still hasn't signed the same agreements about ICC or ICJ.

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3. bawolf+6e[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-10 20:24:16
>>dylan6+0d
> last I checked, the US still hasn't signed the same agreements about ... ICJ.

The united states signed on to the ICJ in 1945.

Some treaties have optional parts where you can defer disputes to the icj. The united states is a party to some of those but not all of them. But that is really a separate thing from the ICJ.

The ICC is very different from ICJ. USA has been pretty hostile to the icc since the get-go.

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4. aragon+fg[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-10 20:42:55
>>dylan6+0d
I don't think it's the "must" used to express obligations or issue demands, but the "must" for stating necessary conditions.

"...in which countries must sign on [if they want the treaty to have legal standing within their jurisdiction]"

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5. dylan6+Fg[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-10 20:48:05
>>bawolf+6e
I did a quick search on US and ICJ, and the first hit was "The US does not recognize the jurisdiction of the International..." and I failed to follow to see it was not the ICJ that I searched for but "...Criminal Court" now that I followed up. Got screwed on very quick/lazy research and shitty search result returning something not related to the query. Fucking hate modern search
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6. walter+bn[view] [source] 2024-08-10 21:54:30
>>rolph+(OP)
https://therecord.media/un-cybercrime-treaty-passes-unanimou...

  The United Nations passed its first cybercrime treaty on Thursday in a unanimous vote.. The passage of the treaty is significant and establishes for the first time a global-level cybercrime and data access-enabling legal framework.. The treaty was adopted late Thursday by the body’s Ad Hoc Committee on Cybercrime and will next go to the General Assembly for a vote in the fall. It is expected to sail through the General Assembly since the same states will be voting on it there.
https://apnews.com/article/united-nations-cybercrime-compute...

  Advocates including the Biden administration said the deal reflects the interests of the U.S. and its allies. It balances privacy concerns with the need for every country to pursue criminal activity around the world, the Biden administration said. “We see this convention as a means to expand global law-enforcement cooperation,”.. The treaty — expected to win General Assembly approval within months — creates a framework for nations to cooperate against internet-related crimes.. Once approved by the General Assembly, the treaty becomes law upon the approval of 40 nations.
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7. bawolf+kJ[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-11 03:58:38
>>dylan6+Fg
In fairness, the us does tend to give the middle finger to the ICJ anytime it rules in a way it doesn't like.
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8. zelphi+HX[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-11 08:26:47
>>walter+bn
Where "balancing concerns" means moving ever closer to the side of surveillance state. How convenient it is to be on the side arguing compromise every single time, and actually moving closer and closer in one direction. Like a sum of continuing fractions.
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9. sniker+ZW6[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-08-13 18:03:20
>>walter+bn
How might a thread’s ranking drop off so precipitously?
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