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1. kitd+(OP)[view] [source] 2024-05-23 10:23:47
Read the main article again. The voice actor was already auditioned and chosen before they went to Johansson. Maybe they had a change of plan and thought it would be cool to have Johansson's voice rather than an unknown actor's.
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2. Beldin+23[view] [source] 2024-05-23 10:50:34
>>kitd+(OP)
The point isn't the time line of hiring the voice actor. The question is whether OpenAI was deliberately trying to make the voice sound like Johansson.

Suppose someone asked Dall-e for an image of Black Widow like in the first Avengers movie, promoting their brand. If they then use that in advertising, Johansson's portrait rights would likely be violated. Even (especially) if they never contacted her about doing the ad herself.

This is similar to that, but with voice, not portrait.

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3. evryda+R3[view] [source] 2024-05-23 10:57:45
>>kitd+(OP)
Not a lawyer, but wouldn't the important intent be the one when the voice is released, not the first moment someone gets hired? The economic harm happens when you publicize the voice in a way designed to gain value from Johannsen's reputation without her permission, not when you record it. The tweet and requests speak directly to that moment.
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4. exe34+Y3[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-23 10:58:45
>>Beldin+23
that's because one can make the argument that dall-e was regurgitating - it would be different if you get somebody who happens to look like her to pose in a similar way.
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5. gitfan+36[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-23 11:16:24
>>evryda+R3
Yes, if she lost movie roles or other contracts because people assumed they could license the OpenAI voice then she could claim she was harmed. However OpenAI removed the voice and this situation is widely publicized. So it is hard to prove that she is being harmed now
6. notjul+09[view] [source] 2024-05-23 11:38:20
>>kitd+(OP)
Is there any quality difference between hiring a voice actor specifically to provide the voice for an AI compared to cloning an actor's voice from their movies?

Much of the coverage I've seen thorough social media on this (including Johansson's statement) gives the impression that this is what OpenAI did. If the quality of doing that would be worse than using a voice actor to imitate Johansson's voice, what is the value of the publicity which gives the impression that their technology is more advanced than it is, compared to whatever they end up settling this for?

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7. wrsh07+Rr[view] [source] [discussion] 2024-05-23 13:40:06
>>exe34+Y3
I don't think this is entirely right (not a lawyer)

You can't hire an artist to draw black widow in the style of Scarlett Johansson's widow. The issue isn't how the art is made, it's whether the end result looks like her.

I think there may be additional issues (to be determined either in courts or by Congress, in the US) with regard to how Dalle makes art, but elsewhere in the thread someone mentioned the Ford Bette middler case, and that does seem to be relevant (also, though, not exactly what happened here)

I don't have the expertise to know how similar this is to the case at hand.

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