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Free speech is a much more general notion than anything having to do with governments.

The first amendment is a US free speech protection, but it's not prototypical.

You can also find this in some other free speech protections, for example that in the UDHR

>Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

doesn't refer to states at all.

>>imposs+(OP)
UDHR is not law so it's irrelevant to a question of law.

>>imposs+(OP)
Free speech is a God-given right. It is innate and given to you and everyone at birth, after which it can only be suppressed but never revoked.

>>kfrzco+71
Good luck serving God with a subpoena when you have to defend yourself in court. He's really good at dodging process servers.

>>kfrzco+71
I know it is popular, but I distrust "natural rights" rhetoric like this.

>>kfrzco+71
Did God tell you this? People who talk about innate rights are just making things up

>>lupire+z
Originally the comment to which that comment responded said something about free speech rather than anything about legality, and it was in that context which I responded, so the comment to which I responded must have also been written in that context.

>>holler+Y4
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I mean to say there are certain rights we all have, simply for existing as humans. The right to breathe is a good example. No human, state, or otherwise has the moral high-ground to take these rights from us. They are not granted, or given, they are absolute and unequivocal.

It's not rhetoric, it's basic John Locke. Also your trust is an internal locus, and doesn't change the facts.

>>Camper+V4
The inalienable rights of mankind are not given to us or validated in a court of man's law. This is not new philosophy and comes from at least as far back as the Greeks.

Your quips will serve you well, I'm sure, in whatever microcosm you populate.

>>smabie+a5
You do not seem to be embracing an open-minded discussion about the philosophy. Why beg the question? Are you admitting the State is the authority under which you are granted all privilege to live, love, and work? Who is to stop someone if you are being attacked, and your children are at risk? Do you wish you had a permit to allow you to breath?

"self-evident," means it requires no formal proof, as it is obvious to all with common sense and reason.

>>kfrzco+9Ub
(Shrug) The Greeks are dead, and so is anyone who tries to argue philosophy with someone holding a gun.

>>Camper+3mg
Self-defense is one of these God-given rights so I miss your point